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Feeddatroll said:
but i like my porn. They also say it’s the leading preventative measure against prostate cancer so there are health benefits too.
indeed.
well more of the ejaculation than the porn. But i hear ya.
Feeddatroll said:
well the main problem is how this system can and likely will be exploited. After all someone can pay the fine which is cheaper than insurance rates. When they do get sick, because insurance companies can’t turn away for preexisting conditions, they can just go to an insurance company and say they need them to cover the cost. People like this are going to make the insurance companies have to charge more so they can maintain a profit. In essence, the people who do the “right” thing are going to get punished for it. It’s one of those things that looks good on paper but implementing it will lead to all kinds of problems.
why is it that someone’s health is inferior to a companies profit numbers? So when a person exploits a company it’s the end of the world but when a company exploits millions, well that’s just good business. That’s the problem.
Corporations have the same rights as people (thank you conservative supreme court), so logically they are just as greedy and vicious as any other individual (if not more so). Like i said before, it’s one thing to find ways to sell a *edited*ing car or product, but when dealing with people, health should come before the profit. Denying someone a car or cellphone won’t kill a person, denying coverage potentially can.
“The best wealth is health.” – Joe Biden quoting some greek dude.
Sorry Roberto
Lemm said:
again… insurance companies can’t just drop you for no reason.. I don’t know where you are getting that
NuRayZ said:
if that means dropping people for being a liabilitybeing a liability is a reason is it not?
So a doctor is forced to provide surgery, even if its a million dollar operation, in order to save someone’s life, but hey you’re on your own after 100k so says the insurance company. i.e. a liability.
anyway here y’all go:
doubt it’ll get repealed tho.
it takes seconds to check a forum and respond.
protip stop wacking off and use the interweb for something other htan pron. and I mean that in all sincerity. but meetings are good too.
Ephraim said:
Except when it comes to the environment, gender or race relations, education, foreign affairs, science, voting rights, abortion, culture…
nah actually more like how a RNC document mocks donors, plays on ‘fear’
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33866.html
or any other of that vast list of bull*edited* they have pulled over the years.
i’ll sum it up for you. Republicans are hypocrytical two faced liers who promote themselves as christian morally upholding figureheads of society. We should hold them up to the standards they themselves say the have. This invitation is to ensure they return to a standard of mere responsible adulthood. The difference between them and democrats is democrats don’t precieve themselves as some higher morally and social beings but fallible human beings who make mistakes.
Rocket Rob said:
you have smoked yourself retarded. Triage is the procces of determining who to see first, in order of the severity of the injury.
Im not sure what your reply had to do with my post.
thank you rocket bob. I admit i was talking about of my *edited* when trying to use triage as an example. Wasn’t stoned yet tho ;P
It ends when everyone is with THE system, Comrade. /evilgrin
what I meant to say was that unlike insurance, a doctor, at least the ones i know, are practicing because they like to help people. Can we say that about insurance companies? No not really, they are a business looking at ways to make money, and if that means dropping people for being a liability then that’s what they do. Hospitals can’t drop you like an insurance company can could.
well now insurance companies can’t either. whoop.
Asystole said:
Yes, I think it will be a landslide.
The republicans have been trying to work with the democrats.(I do not call myself a republican, so don’t say im just going with pary rhetoric)
If you would have watched c-span for ten hours sunday like I did, you would have seen the republicans standing up and pleading with the dems to slow down and make a better bill.
They rushed this through, made backroom deals, and all that, just to wait 4 years until it’s implemented?
The republicans constantly said that they weren’t even allowed to help make this bill, that they are in support of healthcare reform, that they realize it needs to be done, but that there is a better way to do it.
I’m being totally serious though. Go ride in an ambulance, you will see unbelievable *edited*, and I’m not talking gruesome.
I pick up people every day, in government subsidized housing, in a ratty old house, with no smoke detectors, 3 small children. 50″ Flat Panel TV, xbox 360, blue ray with a stack of cd’s next to it, Biggest Stereo You’ve ever seen. Stainless steel refrigerator, dirty dishes piled up everywhere, you can smell the smoke in the house.
Person has COPD, is over 400 pounds and can’t walk and we have to call in for a bariatric stretcher. She’s on oxygen permanently because of what the smoking has done to her lungs permanently.
Takes the oxygen mask off to be able to smoke a cigarette because the oxygen could ignite.
We’re waiting on a *edited*ing fatty stretcher, and the cow is smoking a cig, while the cig is exactly what put her in the position she’s in now.
Why should I have to pay for her?
so what do we do about them? let them die? Better yet lets just round up all of them and gas them. Much cheaper and more efficient. I have no feelings for people like that. I can’t stand them either. There is no hope for her. But like you said she has kids, there is still hope for them. Iono i’d rather pay for hopeless dopes if it saves a decent person every now and then.
I’ve been in an ambulance before. My aunt works in a hospital. I see alot of drug abusers and diabetic wastes of life. But I also see people that genuinely need the help.
Asystole said:
You’re honestly talking about things you don’t know.
Triage=not what you’re referring to it as.
So you’re saying that since I have insurance now, that I wont have to pay a penny more of taxes? El oh el
Maybe you don’t know how this economy thing works. Because If people with insurance dont have to pay more taxes, that means they will be taxing the poor without insurance, effectively making them pay for insurance(This is not how it works, if you knew anything about this bill)
They are taxing people’s insurance policies also, have you read or watched anything on the subject?
Hospitals are required to treat people and to get them stable.
Tax payers do not pay for the uninsured. Insured people end up paying for them, in higher healthcare costs. Why do you seem to think tax payers are paying for them
Okay the triage argument i heard on talk radio on the way home today. Just got home and probably should have researched it a bit more before arguing the points about it LOL but that aside…
they are taxing the retardedly huge “GOLD” plans that insurance companies have. YE OLE spreading the wealth around.(big issue with conservatives, me not so much) There will be tax cuts to small businesses and Old farts can afford more meds.
If insurance companies are going to drop like flies because of this, why then are their stocks going up?
“Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage”
In a few months do you really think people are going to be voting for someone that will take all that away?
I think some of you conservatives just want this to fail, a total collapse of the health industry, because that’s the only way republicans will get any substantial ground in 2010. People are angry but that will subside when they notice how cheap their meds are.
I don’t understand what the big deal is. A big chunk of this is similar to the 94 REPUBLICAN plan for HCR. It really isn’t that far left. Hell I wanted single payer but that won’t happen in my life time.
Asystole said:
The problem with this bill is not the cost, it’s not the idea behind it.
Well, it is the idea behind it.
The gov’t is forcing the american people to pay for something. They are punishing those who do not get healthcare. They are mandating what people can and cannot do.
They aren’t punishing anybody. If you have health insurance you don’t have to pay the tax. Just like if you have a mortgage you don’t have to pay as much income tax. Same principle. Hospitals are required to take in people with or without health insurance anyway, at least now the uninsured are going to have to own up.
Oh and this just in:
Insurance and Pharmecutical company stocks just went up. O M G
Rocket Rob said:
NuRayZ said:
Making a profit on a tv, or car, or a *edited*ing cellphone is one thing, but the fact that people sleep at night knowing insurance companies make profits off of sick people is just disgusting.
What about doctors who make lots of money off sick people? Or hospitals? Drug companies?
Where does it end comrade?
Triage ring a bell?
You realize hospitals HAVE to take emergency patients in regardless of whether or not they can afford their needed treatment to survive. You can’t just give someone who suffered a pulmunary anurwhatever tylenol and send him on his merry way. If they can’t afford it, it comes from us the tax payers. That brilliantness was signed by Reagan your lord and savior. If HCR is unconstitutional so is the above.
Lemm said:
I was originally going to post this in the political discussion, but due to my remarks regarding the anti-christ etc.. I decided to put it here.
Nevertheless, I do believe this Bill to be unconstitutional and the fact that it passed has severely lowered any faith in our government that I ever had. I am not racist. I really want to like they guy. I’m impressed with the way he presents himself and his amazing speaking ability. I had thought that it would almost be best for him to stay in office again because he is the only person who would see any of his plans through about the economy and we would have wasted another four years, but he has done too much damage and I’m convinced however smart and charming he may be we have no need for anyone with these policies.
Listening to people talk about how this is compared to Social Security and Medicare makes me sick. Like those two programs are anything near a success right now. Social Security started out as a good thing but now there is no way to sustain it. The only reason to compare it to Social Security is to say that just like Social Security, we who will be paying for this Obama-care will never see any benefits from it. Programs such as these suffocate all motivation for people to better themselves. They are a far cry from a Capitalistic Society as we were meant to be.
Also, REFORM is a bad word for this Bill and I will never call it that. Reform means fixing something, not breaking it even further.
Finally, I would like to say that prohibition was once recognized too… for no more than three years.
Damage? what damage? You mean the fact that insurance companies can’t drop people for being sick? Or that people with cancer can actual afford treatment now? How can you better yourself if you are terminally ill? How can you better yourself if you have *edited*ing cancer and need thousands or even millions of dollars worth of treatment, but are dropped by your insurance company because you aren’t making them a profit.
Are you upset because we aren’t the same country our founding fathers created? Lets just reestablish slavery and drop the civil rights to get back to that capitalistic society you so care and dream about. Hell lets go back to the roaring 20’s, deregulate everything, let kids under 16 work over 40 hours a week, let our water and air become dirty as ever, and let the Corporations do whatever they want. Yeah, lets go back to no goverment, survival of the *edited*ing fittest baby that’s what we need. I want to be able to *edited*ing challenge people to a dual.
Making a profit on a tv, or car, or a *edited*ing cellphone is one thing, but the fact that people sleep at night knowing insurance companies make profits off of sick people is just disgusting.
Like the president said, it aint perfect…but it’s *edited* sure better than it was. The parts that people are *edited*ing about can be thrown out (and probably will be) But this bill IS needed and millions will benefit. All your speculations and worries are just that. Let’s see in a couple years before we pass judgment on a guy who was just trying to help more people.
edit: sorry about my rant. I respect your point of view, although don’t agree with it.
MajorMajorMajor said:
YEA I CAN STAY A DEPENDENT FOR 4 MORE YEARS
oh wait – i’m already independent
FACK
just tell them you meant to write 0 instead of 1. It’s an ‘honest’ mistake lol
is there any particular reason it turns that dark *edited* brown? I mean i notice it matches the top bar, but that color only looks good at at like 50px. Maybe change it to the nice blue right below? other than that its awesome
can you give us a hint? Like does your name start with a vowel or how many letters in the name?
But if i had to make an educated guess, i bet your name is Jeffery. Reason being you sound like a Jeffery.
how about the 35% tax break for small businesses who offer their employees health care? that happens this year, IMMEDIATELY
btw, anyway you could combine my posts and/or move this thread to the political section?
We can sit here and make speculations on how many people got their vote bought…but that’s all it is, speculation. Besides, getting bought out isn’t something new.
I bet you read Rasmussen numbers with your coffee in the morning. Here’s a little tidbit for you, Rasmussen is always 10-12 points off. Obamas numbers are as low as bush’s on which polls? Please show me ole wise master of p
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You do realize their profit margins are less than 2% right?I call bull*edited*. On paper maybe, but still bull*edited*.
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At this rate your “historic” president will leave only one mark in history, the most hated president of all time.Again, bull*edited*, the only people “hating” are a minority. The birthers, the teabaggers, the racists. Dissaproval ratings could be the cause of anything, I dissaprove of Obama and co. taking a whole *edited*ing year to pass HCR
MasterP said:
NuRayZ said:
Cry moar.
I get my Blue Cross Blue Shield back for another 4 more years!!!
BCBS let you stay on your parents plan until you were 26 anyway.
l2read your policy
actually no. Only if you are in school. I’m not anymore.
http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo
So what if you all win in 2010, this bill WILL be forever. It may seem “unfortunate”, but to quote my good friend David Frum, “The republicans went for all the marbles, and got none.”
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It’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they’ll compensate for today’s expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But:(1) It’s a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November – by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs.
(2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now.
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No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a repeal?Here is a simple fact. The republican party failed. Hard.
lol a new "better" club huh?
You realize how small and backward your thinking is right?
If you don't know let me help you out:
1. This club has YEARS under their belt.
2. It has attracted THOUSANDS of people from all over the country (including myself)
3. WCU has benefited one way or another from the work these people have done; hell i had no idea where the hell or what the hell WCU was until i found their servers and forums
4. This forum alone > whatever cute ideas you have for your future 5 or 6 man club.
5. I'm pretty sure you need a clear purpose to even get a club up and running, gaming is your purpose you say? Looks like there already is a gaming club; DENIED.you are going to start a new gaming club which probably will only consist of circle jerkers from the same retarded nut sack in whoknowswhere, NC; because someone got impeached for not doing there job? ROFL
I'm sure you're enthused and full of optimism, but rest assured, that will subside in a few days; followed by a nice big slap of "oh shit I fucked up, i'm an idiot" and/or "damn i wonder if they will let me back in"