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On newer servers CSS/TF2/L4D use almost no CPU at all once they’re up and running. TAG had 2 L4D and when they were both 8/8 they used maybe 3% of a quadcore xeon between the two of them. We’ll have two 6core opterons. Win will ensue.
A large network of L4D and L4D2 could be very beneficial.
If we get this in time for MW2 it would be a great chance to get a early start with a new and epic game.
Kuros said:
No don’t, you made a policy now enforce it. I think it’s a great idea. If people abuse it they are making it clear that they are admins that we don’t need and it takes less than 30 seconds to remove someone. You can’t go on letting these PC guys be afraid of change. That’s why the PC side is dying. New policy isn’t going to hurt anything and it’s so easy to change it if it doesn’t work.Also @ Mitch: if Warcraft games “don’t appeal to the majority of gamers” Why are there over 10 million subscribers to World of Warcraft worldwide?
LOL Kuros preaching about admin abuse, now there’s a pot calling the kettle black.
Under the proposed policy you’d have lost admin a few months back, if not a few years back. I’m just sayin…
I’ll answer your question with another, how many gamers are there worldwide?
Also, how would WoW help the club expand at LAN events? Haven’t you blocked WoW ports at events before?
NuRayZ said:
Oh and btw, don’t lose sleep, no one is going to blow up North Carolina.The banking capitol of the US isn’t a target? Glad to hear it, someone told me it was…
So I have to ask, if the CIA were to read your email or listen in on your phone calls, why does that bother you? If you’re not doing anything illegal they can’t touch you and even if you are discussing a criminal act they can’t do anything about it without more evidence, which to obtain they must acquire court orders. Your fear is irrational and sheepish. Are you so afraid of having your emails read or sex calls tapped that you’d allow terrorists to use our own data infrastructure to discuss their next attack?
Bush was never a conservative and I really wish you’d stop claiming he is. The last conservative president was Reagan. Republican and conservative are nowhere near the same thing.
Obama’s bill will be unconstitutional because there’s no way for it NOT to be unconstitutional. For it to do what he wants the federal government has to seize more power than they’re allowed to, there’s simply no way to get around it. Now if they didn’t have force a public plan then yes it would be fine and would probably get bi-partisan support to some degree.
Regardless of how much power the two bills floating around in congress would give the government, neither would ever be found unconstitutional. The Justice Department remembers what happened when they tried to declare FDR’s obviously unconstitutional New Deal plans and won’t dare risk it happening a second time with Obama. Unlike FDR, Obama would actually follow through with any threat made to the court.
ACLU founder Norman Thomas said:
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program until one day America will be a Socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.Kaz-Ka said:
And Mitch about the new server, im thinking that we could possibly hold a poll/nomination sort of thing and see what people would like to have if we could add more games if we get a new server? How does that sound?Please do. We can run almost anything but some games would require that the club purchase copies.
Kaz-Ka said:
Mitch I dont understand why you think this is such a terrible idea. Just because someone can abuse something does not mean they will. Every person is not just looking after their wants and needs, and I CLEARLY told everyone at the meeting that if I see any sort of bias or got complaints about them they are going to be booted out of their position. I know you guys have had some bad experiences with this sort of thing in the past, but just because it failed in the past doesnt mean it will fail now (maybe it was the admins you guys elected making the *edited* poor decisions, I dont know). Our servers are getting hit pretty hard because of Map decisions, and the people that play on these servers (the admins) with these people that join them should know what is popular and change them accordingly.I think this is a terrible idea because I’ve been admining CSS servers for over 4 years. Because they can abuse it, they will, and they won’t do it when other admins are on or when they know someone might be looking. In PC gaming, to assume someone won’t abuse a power they’re given is just naive. The vast majority of players don’t report admin abuse, they just leave and go someplace else. The only way the CL will find out about the abuse is when someone comes to the forums to report it but for everyone person who reports it there’s 50 that don’t. The CL will end up having to comb through the logs on a daily basis to see who’s abusing and who isn’t. After about a month he’ll quit finding the time to deal with it and just ignore it. After enough complaints on the forums he’ll turn the admin power off without your permission. Que the Bitey/Liam/MasterP arguments over who really controls the servers and you’ll have a CL resign over it, just like your predecessor did. There’s a reason I fought so hard to specify who has what powers on the PC side and this is the very reason why. The second CLs lose any aspect of control over a server they’re tasked with managing you not only frustrate and *edited* them off but you bring into doubt every power they assumed they had. A CL shouldn’t have to wonder if a setting or decision he makes will be overruled the next day by the execs, he should have the complete authority to make any call he deems necessary for the well-being of the server. If the CL makes a bad call then he’ll answer for it at elections but if the execs are making the bad calls then he’ll be the one that takes the fall for it, not the execs who forced him to do it. That’s wrong and is not how this club was envisioned to be run.
Our server isn’t taking hits because the maps are bad. Sure it’s playing a part but that’s not the reason. Everyone who is complaining about the maps quit playing for the summer break and are now magically upset that the server is empty. It doesn’t take a genious to put two and two together to deduce that when everyone quits that the server is empty. What’ll end this is the CL putting a new mapcycle on. It’ll still have maps people don’t want to play and it’ll also have maps that clear the server. Nothing will really be different but like all new mapcycles it also won’t have complaints being PM’d to the execs so I guess it’s a semi-win.
The alumni are here because we want to see the club be successful. My fear is that you’re taking advice from players. Sure their advice is nice but if given the choice between acting on the advice of players or server admins the decision should be easy. Players remain players for a reason and admins float to the top for reason. You need to heed the advice of the few at the top of the “knows wtf is going on” pyramid and ignore the massive pile at the botton that doesn’t. Those at the bottom will tell you where they want to go but it’s the people at the top who have the experience to tell you how to get there.
Nickname makes an excellent point.
Kaz-Ka said:
If we could revive the PC side of the club on campus, that would be great and we would all be happy. And I would like to try a few new things and a few old things so if you guys could just bear with me and give this a go that would be nice.I’d like to know which gamers you’ve been talking to because they either only play Warcraft related games (which don’t appeal to the majority of gamers) or don’t play online often. If you want a basis of how popular gaming styles are use the Xfire and Steam lists like Lemm mentioned. Over the last 6 years the Xfire list has been dead on with the popular games at the time and shifts from year to year as games are phased in and out.
As for campus, you won’t revive the PC section with Warcraft 3. The VAST majority of gamers hate Starcraft and Warcraft with a passion because only the elite of the elite ever have any fun playing it online. I used to play WC3, still do ocassionally, but I also hold that opinion. I like the game but hate playing online because I either get dominated extremely fast (IE not fun) or the other player quits before I win (IE not fun).
Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s great that you somehow managed to attact all those WoW players to the club but you’ve got to keep in mind that the population of them wasn’t sought out for a reason. We could have pulled most of them in last year, probably quite easily, but I didn’t for a very good reason. The WoW gamers are not healthy for the PC side of the club. From a raw numbers standpoint sure they’re great but the games they play are directly incompatible with the games everyone else plays and while you may pull in 20-30 of them there’s a good possibility that you lose that many at the same time.
Also, I’m not sure if anyone’s actually run the numbers on this but if you have 20 people playing WC3 in a single elimination bracket you’ll have a total of 19 games. Figuring that each one takes 15 minutes that tournament alone will take almost 5 hours. Factor in getting them ready, having them find each other’s servers and connecting, breaks in between games this one game will easily take 7 hours. Unless you do something funky with the brackets to shave the number of matches down you just committed yourself to only 2 games at the LAN. That’s the direction ASU went with their PC LANs, trust me, you don’t want to go that route. Oddly enough WC3 was also their tipping point.
Ever wonder why the PC side hasn’t sent a team to ASU in years? It’s because the drive isn’t worth only playing 2 good games. Having talked with a number of others the same can be said about the next WCU LAN. You have to make the LAN worth the 6-10 hours of driving and so far, at least for about 5 of us I know of, that’s just not the case. The ASU players we pulled in on the PC side were there for CS/CSS (and were *edited* good too) and most of the Clemson guys were there for similar reasons. I can’t speak for any of them but my fear is that once we lose the off campus players we may never get them back. You may have more overall but keep in mind this club wasn’t founded to bring people in the door, it was founded to bring people onto campus. While those goals aren’t mutually exclusive, there’s a very fine line you have to walk to achieve both.
Btw, if we’re going to be shifting to games we can’t host servers for we need to decide now because if Keith buys us a new server and we don’t expand in that direction we’ll never get anything from him again. I can’t tell Keith we need a new server when I’m not sure we’ll even need it and sure as hell can’t ask him to spend $5000-6000 on a server when the only games popular on the current one are being phased out.
Also something to keep in mind. You may not want to “pander” to those who aren’t on campus but just remember that the club you have now was directly created by us. Many alumni have continued to support the club even after graduating and many will continue to do so until you *edited* them off and they leave. We’ve all been around the block and know what works and what doesn’t. When so many have said this won’t work and you do it anyway, you won’t be garnering any pity when you fall. You’ll just be on the ground with a skint knee and have no friends to help you up.
My intention isn’t to *edited* you guys off but I find it extremely interesting that the PC side takes such a drastic change of direction once I leave and a primarily console player takes the VP slot.
Btw, I just realized we’re arguing in Ephraim’s thread again.
The maps in play now were publicly decided on and unless a retard gets put in power so will the next ones.
When they ask for map recommendations, don’t do what you did the last 3 times. Next time only recommend maps you know the server populace will like, not what you personally like.
For example, I know cpl_fire sucks and I said it would kill the server. At the time people wanted it and it was put in.
The discussion on allowing admins to directly change maps has been debated over for years. I chose not to allow it because it’s a power that’s very commonly abused and when you factor in people quitting over the abuse of it you’ll end up about where you started in terms of players. RTV was put on the server to allow the general public to change the server if the need existed and until recently it seemed to be sufficient.
Kaz-Ka said:
As of last night, they do (at the descression of what the PC VP says). And I already told him that they could. I mean hell, why not, especially if it is hurting the server?If I was still the PC VP this would not be happening.
It’s a TERRIBLE idea and will be abused constantly. Complaints should have come to the people who had the power to make changes and to be honest I’m disappointed that the first I’m hearing about complaints like this is the day after I’m voted out of office.
It’s nothing personal but it was a *edited* poor decision to keep the complaints from me and other CLs and to be honest it’s not your job to dictate policy on the servers themselves. The last time a president made a policy decision for the servers against the recommendation of the CL it nearly destroyed the CSS server and barred a number of execs from playing on it.
Maybe it’s best I’m not going to be CL this semester because this is a headache I wouldn’t want to have dealt with on a daily basis.
As you know, this decision is entirely up to the new execs, but having been around the block a few times it’s a trend I don’t like the look of…
So a known terrorist in Iran calls another known terrorist in the US and we can’t listen in until after getting a court order. You realize that by the time they get the court order the call would be LONG over. Like 2 days over. So in other words, we can’t listen to terrorists.
People like you make people like me lose sleep.
Name one American citizen who’s lived here all his life with a 100% clean background that was falsely arrested by the Patriot Act.
Oh btw, Obama is making your medical records publicly available to any agency or company that requests them. Please explain how that’s supposed to make us safe.
Oh btw #2, republicans will not vote for this. In fact it’s highly probable that not a single one will vote for this. By contrast almost every single democrat voted for the Partiot Act.
Oh btw #3, why is that whenever something bad about Obama or his pet congress comes out they immediately shift the blame or focus back on Bush. Bush isn’t in office anymore and you’ve had congress for 3 years. When are all these problems going to start being blammed on the people in power when they started? Bush let the CIA look at your phone records and emails (something they already did FYI) so Obama should get the internet??? What?
Cops won’t care because they can’t do anything about it. It’s not a crime they can prosecute.
You should instead talk to your landlord, who will tell you she can’t do anything about it, then call the ISP who *might* care.
Odds are you just need to change your ISP to something either they aren’t using or something that isn’t shared by the whole building. If you get internet from the landlord then you need to read the contract you signed and see they are in violation of the lease agreement.
Nickname said:
worked thereWork is such a strong word…
If you can’t get it fixed after doing Nickname’s steps take it to the CRIB and let them fix it.
H2O Oh Malley said:
No silly. Everyone is supposed to love the AntiChrist. I think most of us have already realized he’s just like all the other idiotic politicians.He started out the antichrist then de-evolved into something else.
There’s nothing wrong with roadrunner, especially not their business connections.
Best thing I can tell you is that if you aren’t being kicked stay and play. Admins are allowed to kick you if you are extremely laggy.
There’s no way for the server to detect or compensate for sudden spikes that desync you from the server. Ordinarily you get kicked when this happens but if it seems to be happening alot then call your ISP or landlord and have them deal with it.
adam37 said:
Side note: I have a college degree and I am engaged to a girl who majored in English, so thats really fail on my partDo WCU degrees count?
I mean really…
Kaz-Ka said:
Mitch, I personally will not have a phone with me tomorrow but I we will have a laptop there, so if you could get on IRC, that would work. If not, if I can find someone with a phone willing to let me use it, I will call you, but otherwise, you should probably get on IRC if you want to get in on the meeting.Some officer should have a verizon phone. Find them, mug them, and voila you have a phone.
I’ll also hit up IRC. <_>
adam37 said:
I mean, this kid hasn’t come to the forums yet to appeal the ban, so i wouldnt worry about it till he does.Grammar Police sent me to give you a warning.
That will need to be decided by the next CSS council leader.
Also Kaz-ka, please PM me meeting phone-in instructions.
Also keep in mind the older wireless cards can’t connect to WPA2 encrypted networks.
WEP is your best bet as quite literally anything can connect to it.
H2O Oh Malley said:
Sounds like the government is trying to prepare to defend itself from a coup by controlling all forms of communication.I think we’re far from that but IF he were planning on one occuring controlling internet access and civilian voice communications is the best way to put one down.
I would add he needs control of the media but at this point he’d only have to take Fox off the air to achieve that.
MSNBC: “… and coming up next, Obama has declared himself Supreme President for Eternity. Details after the break.”
YouWinGameOver said:
and its not just dems that are for thisI’m going to have to request a source on this statement. I highly doubt it’s true.
