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If you’re getting a full tower you may as well geta full ATX motherboard. If you don’t it’ll just look weird.
Lemm said:
Apple and Microsoft ganged up to pay more than Google alone. It didn’t have a choice. They ended up going for over 5 billion dollars which is over 5 times what the patent portfolio was estimated to be originally.
What the article you posted conveniently ignores is the fact that Google partnered with Intel shortly after Apple partnered with RIM, EMC, Ericsson, Sony, and Microsoft. That’s a little lopsided, but not by much. Keep in mind, Google could have just as easily teamed up with Microsoft et al but chose not to even consider it. They also completely ignored RPX which could have tapped its member companies and gotten an incredibly large sum of cash very quickly.
As to the “5 times larger” thing, Google placed an opening bid of $900 million which was right at what the estimated value was. Not only is this stupid but it also tipped their hand. They let their competitors know three things that will destroy you in RL bidding: that you really want it, that you think it’s valuable, and that you’re willing to pay alot for it. When your direct competitor thinks something is valuable, and that something can actually be used against you, you *edited* well better buy it before they do. Several tech articles state that the existing patent licenses would have been honored, don’t believe it for a second. If that were true the winners wouldn’t be able to start charging patent licensing fees for Android devices.
What I find interesting is that the DoJ had determined that if Google won that the deal would be ok but they had to investigate Apple’s patent portfolio before approving them to enter the bidding. We’re talking about over 6000 patents, why would ANY auction of this magnitude be legal?
Also, if Google had won it would be doing the exact same thing. And I quote: “If successful, we hope this portfolio will not only create a disincentive for others to sue Google…” In other words, with this portfolio, if Microsoft or Apple were to sue Google over whatever Google would be able to leverage the patents and force them to back off out of fear of patent license revocation.
Unlike the Novell auction, where the DoJ forced most of the patents to be given back, I don’t think this one will be overturned. The DoJ pre-approved every bidder before the auction started and thus placed their seal of approval on any of them winning. I wouldn’t say it’s entirely out of the realm of possibility but if the DoJ is asked to pre-approve all bidders and then later reneges on that I can’t imagine any company placing any faith at all in their ability to monitor these things in an unbiased and impartial manner.
This is why I can’t be a democrat. A story with a real and fundamental lesson that applies throughout someones entire life, from elementary school to retirement, is suddenly not P.C. because of the message is presents. We certainly can’t have people planning ahead and working hard all their life, they might become successful and that’s just not fair…
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Google has been suing Microsoft for years. Google can’t get butthurt now that MS has a valid claim against them. If Android phones use a patent that MS, Apple, whoever owns then by law they have to pay whatever licensing fee the owner charges. Google could have purchased the patents when they were put on public auction but chose not to do so. Google has an absolutely insane amount of cash, letting such a deal slip through their fingers was just stupid. Keep in mind Google could have turned around and charged Microsoft and Apple for the rights to use mobile-device related patents. At that point Google would have won the mobile market, no contest.
Microsoft has been on the receiving end of patent infringement lawsuits for years and I’m glad to see them finally using the system to their advantage, rather than getting drunk and letting the system take advantage of them in a cheap hotel room.
Liam just gave me a rundown on Simpweb’s new server. It’s a powerhouse in the same ballpark as the club’s gameserver, only it’s got much more drive space and is about to have much more RAM.
Congrats on the upgrade!
When you click “Post” it does go through, even if the site appears to have frozen.
If you do double post, admins typically delete the second one for you
In 3 words Dice just diagnosed your problem, made fun of a purchasing decision, and hinted at a solution.
That may be the most efficient post he’s ever made.
I certainly wouldn’t spend $2700 on a 55″ TV, that’s for sure.
Are you dead set on not getting an LED LCD?
Oh snap, I didn’t realize LG also had multiple models within the same series. Samsung does that and the low and midrange almost always have lesser quality hardware. I haven’t heard of them creating lag like this but if you have a choice, *ALWAYS* buy the high-end.
In this case I guess you fit into the “trying to do alot of processing with slower hardware” category. It’s a shame manufacturers do that but it’s not likely to change anytime soon. Unfortunately…
I’d never thought to take a console into the store but if this becomes much more widespread I can definately see it becoming a popular thing to do.
Btw, I just checked and the LED LCD I keep referencing does have “game mode” enabled on the HDMI port I’m using. For whatever reason it enabled it by default when I named it PC
Lemm said:
You’re speaking of “Supported Resolution” not “Native Resolution”.
Supported and native are really a same difference. If stretching the input takes .25-.33 of a second, you’ve bought a *edited* poor TV. Supported means “I can take this and display it in such a manner that the user can’t tell a difference.” For example, you never see input lag issues with PC monitors even when people aren’t using the “native” resolution. Problems only occur when the scaling is done with either too many upscale processes enabled or when an upscale process is attempted with slow chips. All “game mode” does is disable a large number of the pre-processing operations.
Lemm said:
I will try out the Wii for you, but even if you are right and the Wii shows no lag -the TV is no good to me if it plays the Wii correctly and not the PS3.
True but what happens if your next TV is the same way?
Weekend after movein (August 27) would be perfect. Everyone’s going to be trying to find something to do, they might as well come play video games.
And yes, followup with them. And then call and cofirm again a few days before the event. You can’t remind these guys enough.
Lemm said:
MasterP said:
Btw, in terms of input sources, different resolution doesn’t mean anything. The vast majority of TVs use the same input board and picture processing for HDMI and component input. Even if the Wii only runs at 480i, if the TV truely is the problem it’ll also have the “input lag” because it’s signal will be going through the same board, same chips, same post-processing as the PS3 on HDMI.
That’s not true. If the tv’s native resolution is different than the source, extra picture processing is required to re-size the image. Google running a nes on 1080p tv.
NES doesn’t use component input. It would use either coax or RCA, both of which have resolution upscaling enabled by default on the TV. Since no modern gaming devices use it, the upscaling hardware isn’t going to be fast because it doesn’t need to be. On the NES, even on older 1980s-era TVs there was a delay between when you pushed the button and when mario jumped. This has nothing to do with the TV and everything to do with playing a console running on a 2 MHz processor.
Take your TV apart and look for yourself. I’ve yet to see a TV where conponent and HDMI weren’t treated the same. HDMI has to go through a couple filters to seperate everything out but in terms of the actual picture itself, it’s identical.
As to resizing, look in the Nvidia control panel and you’ll see options relating to HDMI-TV picture scaling. EVERY device scales a 1080p output differently and not every TV displays the same 1080p signal in an identical manner. TVs automatically scale and adjust every input, even 1080p, to match what its chipset thinks 1080p should be. Perfect example, I’ve yet to get my ION’s rendition of 1080p to perfectly match an HDTV’s 1080p resolution, I ALWAYS have to manually adjust it on the PC side and end up with a weird resolution. The TV takes this weird resolution and displays it regardless. Can I tell a difference in 1080p movies? Nope. Any “input lag” in MW2 or L4D2? Nope.
I mean really, if scaling created lag problems don’t you think it would be a problem with PC monitors too? I’ve never heard of scaling lag on computer monitors. Change your PC resolution to something really weird and you’ll notice that the monitor scales it to full screen and keeps on trucking.
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Part IWhy do HDTVs lag on video games?
HDTVs typically only have one or two “native” resolutions. A set’s native resolution is the resolution that it displays on the screen. This means that sometimes, the HDTV must “scale” the resolution you input in order to display it.
On regular, non-HD televisions, there is only one native resolution, which is 480i (240p). Whenever you play a video game on a standard definition TV, the game console always outputs 480i/240p and the TV displays it as 480i/240p. No need for any scaling, so response time is always normal and accurate.
However, because HDTVs NEVER have 480i/240p (Standard Definition) and usually not even 480p (Enhanced Definition) as a native resolution, that means that any video game console we have that can’t output a High Definition signal is likely to lag on any HDTV display. It isn’t that it is impossible to scale an image with no lag; HDTVs simply put the emphasis on image quality, which takes some time to process, rather than speed. Some newer HDTVs now come equipped with a “Game Mode” to speed up the scaling process and reduce or eliminate lag on the set. You can read more about “Game Mode” later into the FAQ.
I’ll see your AVS Forum writeup and raise you your TV’s own instruction manual. Flip to the PC input section and you’ll find a table of natively supported resolutions. It’ll be more than one or two and 640×480 is most definately one of them. LED LCDs almost universally support 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p, both with and without scaling.
Just try an XBOX360 or Wii on it, I think you’ll notice a difference. Enable game mode if you think it’ll help but disable all the other extras like MPEG balancing and noise filtering.
More “input lag”, picture quality takes a hit, they’re more expensive, and the circuit boards are more prone to failure and more expensive to repair/replace when they do.
Sources are Amazon, Google, and common sense.
Btw, in terms of input sources, different resolution doesn’t mean anything. The vast majority of TVs use the same input board and picture processing for HDMI and component input. Even if the Wii only runs at 480i, if the TV truely is the problem it’ll also have the “input lag” because it’s signal will be going through the same board, same chips, same post-processing as the PS3 on HDMI.
Nickname said:
Aren’t the 3D tvs like way worse for lag than their non-3D counterparts?
3D TVs are way worse at alot of things than their non-3D counterparts.
The Sonic CD soundtrack always felt like an afterthought, like the devs were sitting around trying to think of what needed doing to finish the game and were like “oh snap, i forgot, we need music”. Now I know why. I mean it was decent but just not up to par with the previous releases.
Lemm said:
From what I’ve read the LED LCD’s of the same line this year have the same problem.
Sauce?
Lemm said:
What why?
You may find that the bug is more common than you think.
I have a hard time believing that a brand new LG plasma has a problem like this.
Is the PS3 the only thing you’re having trouble with? If so have you tried resetting it like you described in the OP?
Panasonic makes good capacitors, other than that I’d never buy any other product they make.
Btw, the TV you linked to seems to have a serious issue with fluctuating brightness.
In that case you’re going to hit the other big problem with SSD. Win7 will use about 15-20GB. Include another 5 for applications and programs. That leaves about 90GB for games, which is not much. My Steam folder by itself is 116GB and that doesn’t include the other 187GB of games I have installed.
SSDs are good for booting windows fast but that’s about it. In games, the only benefit you get will be fast load times, once the level is loaded you don’t actually get any improvement at all in games. If it were me, I’d get a fast 64GB SSD for $110-130 and then pick up a 1TB WD Black SATA2 6Gb/s for your games. If you need file storage I’d recommend the $80 2TB WD Green SATA2 3Gb/s. The WD Green is still incredibly fast for file storage and media. Its linear performance is similar to that of a WD Black.
Lemm said:
They all have input lag…
It’s just how much. From what I’ve read, the good ones only have 15ms-30ms — but they are also not the best quality tv’s for viewing movies.
Well so do computer monitors.
There is no correlation between input delay and picture quality. All input delay is the same. What you’re thinking of is processing delay and yeah the more the TV does to the picture the longer it’s going to take to process. This is why I tell people to avoid TVs that do a ton of picture correction and processing, if you want to do any sort of gaming or frequently watch fast-paced movies you really need to turn most of that off. If the TV is truely good, it won’t need a laundry list of post-processing features, it’ll have a good picture all by itself. That said, if you think you can just take the TV out of the box, turn it on, and enjoy it with default settings, well, you’re probably a mac user.
Lemm said:
It also makes a difference which input you are using although I assume you are using HDMI.
Of course
Lemm said:
Do you happen to know which model they have?
UN55C6900. Only 120hz but for $1800 it was a deal that couldn’t be beat and with an hour or so of adjusting settings it looks every bit as good as a 240hz and performs flawlessly in console and PC gaming. Bluray looks really nice on it as well.
