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http://www.healthreform.gov/documents/section1401_highcostplan.pdf
there is where it is i think
edit: maybe not
my bad it’s 10,200 and 27,500. LARGER than previously estimated. for more information please email: advocacy@cose.org
like you always say: go research yourself
it’s okay bitey…
you know though, being a liberal isn’t that bad. and a hell of a lot better than being a stingy thinks they know it all conservative (no masterp i’m talking generically, not about you
)MasterP said:
Bitey you like completely derailed this thread, talking about CEOs and student loans. Open another rant thread and vent in there. You just completely let Nurayz off the hook and that *edited*es me off more than your textbook liberal targetting of the rich.
let me off the hook? were you enjoying trying to pummel me down to nothing like you always attempt to do in these threads? *edited*ed that someone may actually have a different viewpoint than yours? Amazed that my response was composed of all questions? Am i awesome or what?!
but let’s get back to the topic at hand. Cadillac high premium plans. And go read again dude, they tax after 8500, or 23,000 for families. If you don’t hit that mark with your insurance plan, you don’t get taxed. hell technically you don’t get taxed anyway, your insurance company or business does. but anyway, These high premium plans are ridiculous. they pay maybe a little more than the average american, and get *edited*load in return. Detuctables? laugh. 0 detuctables, copays averaging 10 dollars, anything you can imagine paid for (acu *edited*ing puncture, message therapy, even TANNING?!). And yet you have a problem with taxing that kind of luxury? that more people can have health insurance now, but because we are taxing luxury bull*edited* it’s wrong?
the average american (who gets insurance through their employer) has 699 dollar detuctables, an average of 20 dollar copays, and can’t get covered for a *edited*ing cough. Spreading the wealth health around isn’t that bad of an idea man. Besides, their Cadillac premiums may go up 1,000 dollars annually, or maybe their deductible goes up from 10 to 30.
Bitey said:
You’re new avatar? It looks like the old one, and yes we would all like to win the lottery…
It is the big companies that I am raging about, so if it less than 300 people, that means we have 300 people in the US each making over 1 million dollars a year. Yeah it definitely is ridiculous, but the sad thing is simply by taking down that one person’s salary you can “create new jobs” for 30-50 more people. Simple fact is that no one person should be making that much money, UNLESS they win the lottery heh.. And then it is a one time payment.
my old avatar was a gremlin. The new one is of a graduate student who has the words “pwn noobs” on his cap.
MajorMajorMajor said:
*edited* the cubbies.
*edited* i wish my stros didn’t suck so bad this year. le sigh.
i think we can all agree on a couple things. Like we’d all love to strike big in the LOTTO. and we all know my new avatar is pwnage.
Nickname said:
Bitey said:
However when you have the board and CEO of a company making 600% more than their employees that tells me that they are probably paying their employees about 10/hr.
That would mean the CEO makes 70/hr * 40 hr/wk * 52 wk/yr = 145600/yr, which is actually very modest for a CEO.
Just throwing this out, Jamarcus Russell made $39 million for being a crappy NFL QB and getting cut after 3 seasons. It would take said hypothetical CEO over 300 years to make that much money on his hypothetical salary.
i believe it’s 600% more than their employees combined. hypothetically speaking, your CEO only has one dude employed lol. bring that number up to about 50 and yeah, he makes a *edited*load.
i don’t think all rich people are evil. I know a millionaire, who started a glass/window company from scratch. He did small repair jobs around Houston at first. My aunt directs an office management company which manages a couple office buildings downtown. After the hurricane a few years back (Ike i think), he placed a bid on a million dollar job (20 story building, replaced all windows with hurricane resistant ones) and landed it. Made his first million. He is definitely a hard working man, and deserves every penny, and is extremely gracious too. pays all his workers graciously, and full benefits. He even rents them places to stay when they are *edited* out of luck (one of his employees got thrown out by his wife lol). Another employee had 4 DWI’s and he bought the best lawyer for him and got them all whiped from history. He’s an extremely loyal, rich, gracious man. I’m pretty sure there are more guys like him, but most richies aren’t that cool.
Nickname said:
dude this tax will affect me and I make a measly $43k supporting me and my wife and her thousands of dollars in student loan debt.
Adding the cost of the insurance to gross income hurts the unwealthy more than the wealthy. For instance, adding $5000 to the income of someone making $50k is a 10% increase, while adding $5000 to someone making $500k is only a 1% increase. Guess who is hurting more from this tax?
Hate to say it but MP was right on this one.
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Section 9001 consists of an excise tax on “Cadillac” health plans. It goes on to explain how tax increases will be done to cover this new plan that the government wants to impose. Basically stating that if you have provided your family with the very best in health coverage you get to be taxed extra. This tax is not very lenient either; they want to impose a 40 percent tax on the portion of insurance premiums exceeding $8,500 a year for individuals and $23,000 a year for family plans.you have to pay more than 165 dollars a week as an individual or 450 as a family to even be considered for this tax. Its a tax on high-premium insurance plans, the big GOLD and PLATINUM plans. you won’t be touched nickname. the only people who can afford those retarded plans are the uber rich. I say tax away.
names people!
i can only think of a few assholes who would be that mean to emphraim. One of them being me, but it wouldn’t be this kind of thread, his two sentences weren’t something to rant about.
who did it tho?! drama ftw
inb4 masterp’s response: “Oh it’s perfectly okay that 1% of America owns 95% of everything. That’s capitalism at it’s finest, they’ll bless us with their good morals, cause lord knows those uber rich *edited*s are morally sound and just people who have been blessed by the gods to trickle down little bread crums to everyone.”
*edited* that, revolution *edited*es.
inb4 this was a chain email to scare the american people. Definitely taken out of context.
“go look at the bill….I like how the email doesn’t include all the details… like if youre on a individual plan anything that the COMPANY pays that is over $8500 is taxed… (yes the company not the individual)…I don’t know about you but my company’s portion is nowhere near $8500 and if you on a family plan anything over $23000 is then tax.
MasterP said:
NuRayZ said:
sure masterp let’s put the first one right in your favorite beach spot or hell right in your backyard.
You realize that 10 miles out is not extremely noticable right? Oh and if BP wants to put one in my backyard, YES PLEASE!
NuRayZ said:
i think that rig was in commission before obama called for more drilling.
You thought incorrectly, they started drilling at that well in Feb 2010.
NuRayZ said:
and what would the incentives be for allowing near shore drilling? Cheaper oil?
If it’s cheaper and easier to get to the refinery, it is by definition cheaper to the consumer.
NuRayZ said:
Quicker clean up time?If not for the extreme depth the original attempt to fix it would have worked. If not for the extreme distance from shore the backup container could have been deployed days, maybe weeks, sooner. That means less oil leaked so yeah, quicker cleanup time.
NuRayZ said:
bull*edited*, the only difference would be… the amount of money it is taking BP to clean up the mess.
So it costs BP less to clean up yet the quantity of leaked oil and time required to clean it up doesn’t change? Your math doesn’t make sense.
NuRayZ said:
A day or two less of thousands and thousands of gallons of oil spilling on the coast would make absolutely little difference to the impact
Day or two? Try month or two before it’s over with. This whole ordeal could have been over May 7 but the water was too deep and cold for a well head to be properly deployed.
NuRayZ said:
Poor over-regulated oil companies making record breaking profits, we shouldn’t be so hard on them…*edited* them dude.
The typical liberal response: they make money so they’re evil. Here’s a wakeup call, those “record breaking profits” you always hear about, yeah that’s before taxes and operating costs. In 2009 BP had a net income of $16.58 billion. That’s about a 6% profit margin. That’s less than pharmaceuticals, banks, telecomm, and food distributors. No one ever bashes ConAgra, Harris Teeter, or Ingles for their industry high profit margins…
whatever masterp. i hate you lol
MajorMajorMajor said:
NuRayZ said:
on a different note, every levee up and down the mississippi river has been open to try and push the oil spill away from louisiana. That combined with a southeastern wind, points the oil directly towards texas. fml
beach party in galveston?
HELL YES.
Crude oil wrestling. Nothing like lube, boobs, and beer.
on a different note, every levee up and down the mississippi river has been open to try and push the oil spill away from louisiana. That combined with a southeastern wind, points the oil directly towards texas. fml
sure masterp let’s put the first one right in your favorite beach spot or hell right in your backyard.
i think that rig was in commission before obama called for more drilling.
and what would the incentives be for allowing near shore drilling? Cheaper oil? fat chance. Quicker clean up time? bull*edited*, the only difference would be the oil is a hell of a lot closer to shore (10 miles vs. 50 miles hardly a difference) and the amount of money it is taking BP to clean up the mess. A day or two less of thousands and thousands of gallons of oil spilling on the coast would make absolutely little difference to the impact (it’s gonna be bad regardless).
Poor over-regulated oil companies making record breaking profits, we shouldn’t be so hard on them…*edited* them dude. btw i blame transocean as much or more than i do BP.
how about just buy a *edited* 500,000 dollar emergency implosion device prior to major *edited* ups like this? would have saved them millions
MasterP said:
I mean you’ve already said it’s ok to discriminate based on religion, and you didnt’ even realize it. I was just curious how much more you’d allow.
lol touche, i think i (hopefully) cleared up any discriminating circumstances. was in edit trying to straighten out what i said. thanks for pointing that out tho, religion shouldn’t be discriminated against.
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okay not ANYTHING else. Things like race, disability, religion, etc. I can tolerate private clubs and such for refusing people based on economic status, referrals, private invitations and such.
But if it were up to me, their rights to refuse service would end if the person they are refusing doesn’t pose any direct (and in some cases indirect) threat to others or the business. no threat? no refusal in my mind.
MasterP said:
NuRayZ said:
Private businesses have no right to refuse for race, but they still can for anything else.
Explain why and where their rights to refuse service end? Is it JUST race?
okay not ANYTHING else. Things like race, disability, religion, etc. I can tolerate private clubs and such for refusing people based on economic status, referrals, private invitations and such.
But if it were up to me, their rights to refuse service would end if the person they are refusing doesn’t pose any direct (and in some cases indirect) threat to others or the business. no threat? no refusal in my mind.
rainefardreamer said:
MasterP said:
rainefardreamer said:
would they not allow blacks or anyone to work/dine at their place? it’s their right, it’s also your right not to eat there
I know I certainly wouldn’t eat there Having policies like that would destroy a business.
NuRayZ said:
you guys need to say the *edited* you are typing outloud.
Banning guns is different than banning a person for the sole reason of race.
Banning a person for dressing inappropriately is different that banning them because of their skin color.
this was a moral stance we took as Americans. Segregation was morally wrong and shouldn’t be tolerated at any level, public or private.
Anne Rand’s manifestos of totally free markets and morally just corporations are nice and all, but total fantasy. It could have worked 200 years ago, but to try and applying it to America today would just not work.
i can read my *edited* just fine, can you read yours?
that’s the thing, it’s not their right to refuse someone for race.
anyway, we are arguing about the wrong thing. Business ethics should be upholded at some point, including equal rights to everyone. Private businesses have no right to refuse for race, but they still can for anything else. why is that a problem? Unfortunately if you believe private businesses should have the right to refuse anyone for any reason (including race), well you are unfortunately *edited*ed.
i know what he said, and as i said before i don’t think he’s a racist. But the mainstream majority will not give a *edited* is what i’m saying. If you want to win in politics today, you don’t say *edited* like “I’m not sure if i would have voted for the civil rights because blah blah.” People aren’t going to care what the *edited* you have to say, the fact that you said you may not have voted for CR *edited*s you over bad. It’s politics.
MasterP said:
NuRayZ said:
If a pipe bomb went off at a church it would make foxnews before the official report came out, with big white letters saying “TERRORIST ACT?” or “ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS AT IT AGAIN!?”. Regardless if it was staged or not.
Yes, it would make the same public headlines as when churches were being burned right and left in Flordia years ago. None. A brief mention and then back to commercials. FBI wasn’t even involved if I remember correctly…
NuRayZ said:
That’s been my whole point, they aren’t fair and balanced, they are exactly like the rest of MSM with a very narrow agenda of bull*edited*.
Then no media is balanced then because CNN and MSNBC completely ignored this as well. Although if you include local stations, Jacksonville’s local Fox station was on that story like white on rice.
NuRayZ said:
And if you honestly think that isn’t remotely prejudice or a double standard, then your glasses must be busted or something. I may be naive to give a public neighborhood’s mosque in florida the benefit of the doubt, but at least i’m not a racist prick who’s first thought is “I bet they let off one of their own bombs on accident, keke.”
Let’s talk double standard. 11 churches were burned in a 150 mile area in Texas between Jan 1 and Feb 8, 2010. Did that make the media headlines? No. Were the FBI involved? No.
So a bomb that does little or no real damage to a mosque gets you up in arms but burning whole churches down doesn’t even phase you? And you call me the racist prick?
i didn’t mean you, i meant a racist prick who would say something like that. The fact that you said something similar is one thing, but a racist prick i called you not.
also, were any of those churches populated? Buildings burn a lot more than blow up. If it was Arson, and it was an attempt during service, by a guy named muhammed, then yes it would definitely have made the news.
how the hell do you boil water and post at the same time?! either you’re a pro at typing with your toes, or pro at cooking with your feet lol
you guys need to say the *edited* you are typing outloud.
Banning guns is different than banning a person for the sole reason of race.
Banning a person for dressing inappropriately is different that banning them because of their skin color.
this was a moral stance we took as Americans. Segregation was morally wrong and shouldn’t be tolerated at any level, public or private.
Anne Rand’s manifestos of totally free markets and morally just corporations are nice and all, but total fantasy. It could have worked 200 years ago, but to try and applying it to America today would just not work.
MasterP said:
There’s no reporting because there’s no evidence of anything. At all.
All they have is an “explosion”, the strength of which or magnitude has never been said and pictures of the damage never shown, a video of some random white guy that’s too blurry to do anything with, and “remnants of a pipebomb” which could be or mean anything.
There are no facts here and certainly nothing substantial enough to make an arrest on. If they do get a tip on who this was they *edited* well better hope he still has evidence in his house because if he doesn’t they’ll arrest him and hang him on the international media gallows but have zero evidence to convict him on.
Also, just watched the video again and the shot of him walking around “behind” the building is interesting. In the news report they said the recording was “taken at the mosque that shows a potential suspect walking in the area where the bomb exploded and close to the time the blast occurred” yet the lighting in the video is NOT from anywhere near 9:35PM in Florida. Maybe more like 6pm but there’s way too much ambient light for it to be recorded that late in the evening.
Inb4 this was staged
If a pipe bomb went off at a church it would make foxnews before the official report came out, with big white letters saying “TERRORIST ACT?” or “ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS AT IT AGAIN!?”. Regardless if it was staged or not. That’s been my whole point, they aren’t fair and balanced, they are exactly like the rest of MSM with a very narrow agenda of bull*edited*. And if you honestly think that isn’t remotely prejudice or a double standard, then your glasses must be busted or something. I may be naive to give a public neighborhood’s mosque in florida the benefit of the doubt, but at least i wouldn’t a racist prick who’s first thought is “I bet they let off one of their own bombs on accident, keke.”
MajorMajorMajor said:
I’m sorry, but I feel shrooms can go horribly wrong as well. My friend had a trip that changed his entire demeanor.
they can definitely go horribly wrong. You can’t do them by yourself (well some can). The people you are with have to be close friends. I would never trust field shrooms, you never know unless you have a legit herbalist with you. If you ever get near the edge, just tell yourself you’re on shrooms and you should be fine.
MasterP said:
Statistically speaking on a global scale it’s more likely that a bomb they built themselves went off than it is for a fat, white, American in bluejeans and a dirty white t-shirt to sneak around unnoticed during a service.
so it’s more likely that a mosque in jacksonville florida builds bombs than it is for a crazy white dude to? Talk about being pretentious and straight up prejudice. You realize how ignorant that sounds masterP?
and aol was just one of many reports on this incident. Besides it was all over the local news in jacksonville.