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Well Malek has inspired me, I can do Summon Suffering on the dpad, no problem now. Im at 50% with calamity symphony!
IVY!!!!! YEA! More of a reason for me to play BlazBlue and SC4! Hey John, did u catch any of the BlazBlue tournament?
I dont know where you have read your comparisons but I would have to disagree. On the surface, it might seem slower, but when you see the combo system in action, youd probably change your mind. Trust me its no were near as slow as Brawl was compared to Melee, thats just a lie. The fighting system for BlazBlue is different in the form of whats called Drives. The X button is no longer kick, but a button that does something special for each person (like in the video, Litchie can throw and recall her staff in many different ways and Ragna can use darkness to take a small amount of HP from the opponent when he hits the, with one of these attacks). And easier gameplay than GG? My *edited*! The combo system is hard as hell to master (I am still trying to get it down) and every character plays differently. Just look at the links below. Ill tell ya though, its one hell of a game. It seems pretty well balanced (minus v-13, the boss) and the combo system is fun and complicated. I can’t stop playing it! But if you havent seen any yet, here are some links to the two.
Here’s some Guilty Gear:
Here’s some BlazBlue:
(GET’EM BOOBIE LADY!)
Despite what you may think though, I think they are both great games. Hell I tried pushing for Guily Gear to become a tournament at the last LAN and the one before that one but it was a no go. I hope to see BlazBlue at the next LAN (maybe taking Street Fighter’s place since it had a *edited* turnout last time). I think you (John) and everyone else at West will like Blazblue, its just amazing.
God I hope this game makes it in as a tournament. It is the most balanced fighting game Ive played in a LONG *edited* time (if not ever). Its deep, its fun, and it easy to pick up but hard to master. This is probably going to be one of the best fighting games of this year.
well the reviews are in and ALL of them are positive! Here’s a review as proof.
Nebs said:
Obviously you guys don’t know me. Brawl is mah lyf, dog. WAR POKEMANS TRAINER!LAWL, That trainers a beast! GO SQUIRTLE! Ill tell ya what would be interesting. Playing Brawl 2.1 (I believe thats what its called). I even have to admit, the way it modifies Brawl even feels wierd to me.
Ephraim said:
One thing I will give to the competive gamers is the importance of good prizes. Fun may be king, but realisticly, sweet prizes almost always result in higher attendance. If we could afford cash prizes, I’d be all for it.Ive actually been thinking about this for quite some time and have wanted to do this for a while, since before I became President. For some odd reason though, people use to appose this with a passion but I think Ill pitch it as an idea in subsititute for just going out and buying prizes.
Bitey said:
Just curious because I can’t remember but do your brawl matches have time limits, if they don’t then there is your problem right there, every single match you do, fighting or fps, doesn’t matter should be timed, especially in this case where you are “running out of time”.About Brawl, one side is saying it isn’t competitive enough (the same side that says, the LAN isn’t about being competitive (winning prizes), but about having fun?). Both sides seem to think that there is only a small percentage of the gaming club community who actually play either game. Look at the fights between CounterStrike 1.6 and CounterStrike:Source, believe it or not this is the same circumstance, you have to learn to live with both, if Melee is good enough to have a follow crowd then it should be considered, if Brawl beats it out because of popularity then so be it, sure we are sad to see it go, but the community has spoken, this is not about personal opinion.
Honestly, I dont care which we play, Im just going to do the best I can to make an *edited* out of myself lol j/k. The only thing that would kill me is if Soul Calibur IV left but if it did, I wouldnt throw a fit.
Ephraim said:
I’m not going to post in this thread anymore because it will only lead to hurt feelings. All I will say is that I plan to oppose any proposition to remove a popular tournament because it makes no sense.Well Ephiram I do agree with u, I dont think its going anywhere. We shall see at the next meeting, though I highly doubt Brawl will leave (I think every time its been voted in it was a unanimous vote for it. lol)
Ephraim said:
I’m going to do my best to avoid an argument, but I disagree on this one. At the last LAN, I talked to John about the tournament. I said something along the lines of “I hope I do well in the Brawl tournament. I’ve been practicing a lot.” He responded with “Dude, it’s just Brawl.”If you don’t care about your own tournament, you shouldn’t be running it. I do not find lots of people playing Brawl nonstop, but I only know three or four people who play Melee nonstop. These people would have hated Brawl no matter what it was like, because they miss Melee. It is wrong to say that Brawl is limited in gameplay when the only form of Smash Bros. you want to play is a very limited form of Melee that excludes most stages, modes, and items. I know some people get *edited*ed off at me because I defend Brawl, but look at it from my perspective. Every *edited* time I play Brawl with you, John, or Nebs, all I can hear is constant complaining that we aren’t playing Melee instead. If I am playing a game, the implication is that I like it and don’t want to hear *edited*ing while I play. And this does not mean that everybody hates Brawl but me, because I have played with people who are good at Brawl and who actually like it. That is why I no longer provide my Wii at LANs. I don’t want people to use my property just to criticize a game I like.Ephiram, I really dont understand how you dont see the dark side of Brawl. Its a fun game but come on. Infinte chain Throws, moves that are inescapable when hit and an unbalanced roster bog this game down. Dont get me wrong its a good game but Melee is much more balanced and complex in terms of gameplay and combos. We wouldnt have hated Brawl just because its not Melee, hell I played Brawl non stop for months after it came out and thought it was much better. Then, when I found out that you pretty much had to pick one of four characters to even have a chance at winning a match, I said *edited* it, I’m going back to Melee (and the fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE to do combos in that game, which I thought was odd). And its not just because of the Wavedasing and the L Canceling, and all that advanced stuff, but it was the simple fact that I could see people kick some *edited* with all kinds of characters instead of seeing the same four characters played over and over (GO LUIGI!). And saying that Melee is limited in gameplay is an understatment. Check out tournament play vids of Melee on youtube and youll see what I mean (look up Ka-Master, he’s the man!) We arent hating on your property/your games just because we say that Melee is better, we are just voicing our opinion. And hell, I might complain about some of the roken stuff in the game but that doesnt mean I dont enjoy playing it with friends, its a good party game. We understand u like Brawl more and thats ok because thats your opinion. But honestly, you shouldnt punish the club because of a few people disagreeing with you on a game, we really could use your Wii at the LANs. Also, Im not trying to pick a argument with u or call you out, I just consider this a “friendly debate” lol.
oh my bad John, thought I read 6. But yea, I think we should do 6 with a free play table, we just need to stop being so nice about letting people hold up tournaments. We could just say if anyone holds up a match for longer than 2 or 3 minutes, they are DQ’ed. I have to agree with Ephiram on this, despite the fact that we dont take it seriously, it still pulls in A LOT of people. Now honestly, I don’t think most people would care weather we played Brawl or Melee (honestly I would prefer Melee but thats just me) because they are essentially played the same way with some minor tweaks (and NEBS seem to own in both lol). This however is for the general public to decide but honestly I don’t care. I just think we should run 6 games, 4 is not enough, 5 at the least.
And Ephiram, when he says he doesnt take it seriously, he means the game play of Brawl, not the tournament itself. And honestly, how many people do u know that constantly play this game nowadays for the sake of pure competition? Most people do not practice this game anymore for the sake of getting better, therefore most people don’t take it as seriously as you would think. There is only so much u can learn in Brawl, and unfortunately it is a restricted game in terms of new things to learn. Now Melee is a different story, lots of people that have been playing that game since its release in 2001 are STILL learning new things about it but this is not the case with Brawl. Brawl is catered more towards the causal crowd, but this is ok because so many people can play it and have fun. Sounds to me like you are generalizing us competitive guys and just because we dont take the game seriously doesnt mean we dont like it and arent having fun!
Actually Mitch, he pitched the idea of 6 games (2 FPS, 2 Fighting, and either 2 brand new game releases or two old favorites). I HIGHLY doubt the Wii would dissappear under this system, Super Smash Bros. Brawl is still the most popular game at our LANs (followed by Halo 3 and Soul Calibur IV according to the last LAN). So honestly, I think the Wii will always have a game at our LANs just because the Smash Bros. series is so popular. I mean hell our 2 most popular fighting games (and two of our most popular games overall) are on two completly differrent systems (Wii and PS3) and have produced some of the highest numbers at our previous 4 LANs (Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Soul Calibur IV).
And I love the biased brackets, thats pretty funny. lol.
YES THATS WHAT I LIKE TO HEAR! Ive been practicing with Voldo and Cervantes alot. Im also trying to push my Ivy to her limits, I want that ho to be unstoppable lol!
Wow man, that was a mouthful lol. But getting on topic here I completely agree, unfortunatley we may have ruined our chance with the freshman thanks to a lack of free play, which sucks because we did bust our asses hanging up those fliers. My suggestion for fixing this is designating some systems STRICTLY for free play and giving free play its own section at the LANs (maybe somewhere in the middle of the console section). That way, no matter what, their would always be games being free played and everyone there would be able to do something other than standing next to a table waiting to be called on for a tournament.
I also think that your idea for the tournament layout would be great! Two FPS’s, 2 Fighters, and either a mix of or 2 new releases and or one known popular game. This is a very good idea in my opinion and would keep things fresh.
There is one more thing I would like to add though concerning the game pickings for the LANs. We are suppose to, as a group, choose what we believe the people that come to our LANs want to play. Well I believe that if a game that gets voted in is in the bottom 2 in terms of sign ups for a game for 2 LANs in a row, it should NOT be allowed to be voted back in a third time for the sack of losing attendees. Now I know you guys are all about the philosophy “If you dont show up to vote, then you dont have a right to complain” but if you guys want more people to join the club and show more of an interest in it, then we need to vote in what the people want and are clamoring about instead of what we as a small group. And I believe EYCE’s new system of picking tournament games would fit well with this and keep things fresh and keep people coming back to the LANs.
lol yea, to be fair they havent changed much about the basic game mechanics since Tekken 3 besides adding new moves and characters. The new characters have their own distinct fighting style (thank god) and Tekken 6 is going to have 40 characters, the largest roster in a Tekken game to date (thats 40 people with distinct fighting styles except maybe Christie and Eddy). They are adding a few new game mechanics this time around (a new juggling system and some new mechanic like the rage system from MK vs DC but it only happens when a character is VERY low on health). Dont get me wrong John, I am excited about Tekken 6 (and BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger), but I will ALWAYS be a Soul Calibur junkie. lol.
Eyce said:
I was originally going to post something on-topic and make a small comment related to Oh Malley’s post at the bottom, but that grew into a whole new topic about improving the way we run Consoles at the LAN. See here – http://www.wcugaming.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12093Anyway, SF4 is just overall boring to play and watch. Promotes turtling and projectile spamming too much. I don’t even like the Tekken series, but I think it’d be more fun watching people get juggled like balloon animals than HADOUKENHADOUKENHADOUKEN(*edited*framed Ultra)HADOUKEN, etc.
MKvDC would be a better choice than SF4 in some ways, but I still don’t like the game. That Rage mechanic is *edited*ing stupid. A bar that fills up when you attack, regardless of whether you hit or not, that allows you to attack more without worry of being flinched out of anything once you activate it. Translation: “Spam some *edited*, then activate your spam meter so you can spam some more *edited* safely.”
Yea, I agree with u on the rage system, it is a little unfair but hey, its easy to avoid someone when they activate it (just jump away). And as far as Tekken goes, I think they may have balanced out that juggling issue. They added a new juggling system but at the same time they have increased the amount of HP for every character so getting juggled to death shouldnt be as much of a problem in Tekken 6. And honestly, I dont know how long its been since you played the Tekken series John but the juggles actually dont take off that much damage (at least they didnt in Tekken 5). They really have balanced out the characters in the series, the only person that has really been tweak alot damage wise to balance him out is Brayn Fury and he’s been nurfed to the point that he isnt unfair anymore. You guys should give Tekken 6 a chance, its going to be the most balanced and fun Tekken yet (and you guys are going to have to listen to me obsess over it).
oh I agree, its VERY well balanced. Ill tell ya though, Id like to see Tekken 6 become a tournament when it comes out, its going to be bad *edited*!
I could see it happening ut I dont think it would be a good idea. Apple isnt really known for good gaming.
Call me a hater if u guys want but I hope this game doesnt show back up at the next LAN (nothing against u Abanddon), the finals are usually boring as hell and well, u all know how I feel about the gameplay mechanics for this game.
I appreciate you giving everyone a heads up Mike. In all honesty though, I see John and Brenton competing for this spot. The next meeting is going to be a fun and exciting one! Hey Mitch, do you think you will be there via IRC if your not busy? Its going to be 2 weeks after we get back.
Meh, Im done with SF4, I moved back to Soul Calibur 4. Until they patch the game and balance out the characters and make the stand up ultra hits go away, im done with this.
I mean come on. Have any of you seen the finals for this game? Its one sided and the gameplay is broken. When you can have a clear victory stolen from you by using ONE MOVE, that makes for some unfair gameplay. Especially since you can hit your Ultra EVERY TIME during a characters stand up animation, and their isnt *edited* anyone can do about it if it is timed right. And honestly, Ill be surprised to see this back at the next LAN, it had the second lowest turnout. Hell, if it was completly up to me, we would replace this with MK vs DCU. Hell at least its balanced and fun. Who’s with me on this nomination?
