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Liam said:
Constructive criticism is appreciated and encourged. Constant beating and kicking of a horse that appears for all intents and purposes to be dead from the foul stench arising from its heavily decayed body is pointless.
If there is a problem, post about it, constant harping doesn’t get anything done except cause people’s tempers to flare.
So you’re saying I should start a whole new thread about how I think that Raven could have done better? Seems pretty fruitless because no one would believe me. Its my word against his and him being with the school gaming club forever I am sure people would side with him. And this isn’t about getting him in trouble or anything. I was merely pointing out that…
You know what….
I don’t care anymore. I really don’t…this has become pointless. I don’t care if you ban PokerStar or not…I don’t care, its not my server.
And As far as Raven goes… No hard feelings. Admin however you want man.
Later,
RaVeN DiZzle said:
helltoupe is irrelevant, he already admitted to intentionally trying to be kicked.This is about pokerstar and whether or not he was blocking.
Now, I spec’d, and followed him. While in spec, he was moving, no blocking what so ever, yet at the same time people were still yelling at him. This puzzeled me. At that point I told people to calm down.
I checked, and its not your call to question that. I did all I could. End of discussion.
Erected.
#29 “PokerStar (music)” 719 STEAM_0:1:9584494 0 03:11 53 0
He is in the server now seeming to be acting alright.
Other than spamming the text.
And it IS my call to question your job as admin. If I don’t…Who will? No other admin was in there to see weather or not your actions were appropriate. If admins are not held accountable for their actions by the players that make up the server then the admins will end up like the admins over at Hotel California where the admins are power hungry and will ban players for ANYTHING they want.
RaVeN DiZzle said:
Thats just it, I didn’t make any mistakes. I checked him out, didn’t see any blocking at the time, therefore there was nothing I could do. I can’t just kick people on your word, or anybody elses word. I have to check it out myself. I wasn’t wrong, I made no mistakes, I did my job, end of story.Erected.
Your mistake was not taking the proper time to check to see if he was actually causing a problem or not…and then when Helltoupe starting telling you he was at it again you brushed him off and denied PokerStars was causing problems when he in fact was, I was on the T side when Helltoupe was telling you it was happening…and thats when I jumped into spec. myself to get the demo’s. It takes what? 5-10 minutes at most to jump into spec and watch someone for a few rounds? But you instead waited until Helltoupe was to the point of calling you a bad admin to actually do anything…and then your response was to kick Helltoupe.
Thats the mistake I saw that you made. But thats YOUR call as admin. I just thought it was pretty weird to not even jump in spec for a few more rounds to see why Helltoupe was making such a fuss. And I can tell you from being there at the time of the incident that PokerStars blocked for at least 10 rounds or more.
As you stated in one of the prior posts “Most hacker/baddies stop when an admin is present.” Well, if you KNOW this why not leave and do like Urban did…come back in under a different alias and sit in spec. for a few to see if he starts back up.
Penis. lol
RaVeN DiZzle said:
I’ve been here since the club erected as well. Right along with Adambomb. (erected).Cool cool. They are good guys. I miss them.
RaVeN DiZzle said:
You’re reminding me of a broken record. I am not going to repeat myself.As are you…
I think we are at a stalemate as far as the conversation goes.
I just love how admins CANNOT admit they were wrong/made a mistake. Oh well.
The kid is being banned.
I hope there is no hard feelings cause I do not mean for there to be. I am not mad at you nor do I dislike you, I was just mearly giving my side of the story so that I did not get looked upon as someone irrational.
RaVeN DiZzle said:
I did my job. I checked him out, saw nothing. Maybe if you would have posted these demos in the first place, this whole problem could have been avoided.I have it on good authority that when people are breaking server rules, they tend to stop when an admin is present.
I TRIED to post the demo’s to begin with and it said that the demo’s were uploaded fine (at least I got no error saying they didn’t). Then I later learned from Bitey that I couldn’t have even uploaded the demo’s because there is a 2mb limit (these demo’s are all above that).
And I only see ONE problem…That you didn’t take the time out of playing your game of Counter Strike to spend a few rounds really speccing this guy. I don’t see how you could have (as you said) thoroughly checked this guy out and saw nothing and I only spent 3 rounds in spec. to get demo’s to get him banned. Though I LOVE to play CS, I have spent many rounds and even whole MAPS in spec. getting trouble makers taken care of. I am NOT trying to tell you how to admin, I am just saying…if things have gone as far as people making comments like “You are a bad admin” I think I would probably have stopped there and thought “Ok, something is wrong here, I am either missing something” or helltoupe is just being a jerk.
EITHER WAY… You are an admin in the server and are looked upon to keep the server safe from people like this…be they hackers or just people causing problems. And when you react to players the way you did and kick them for insulting you it just shows you don’t know how to handle the problem other than kicking him. Though I do NOT agree with players insulting admins because I have been admin and I know its not always an easy task…I have a REAL problem with admins who get their admin and then think they are above the “common” CS player on the server and don’t have to take ANY crap from other players. You have to deal with players like this all the time and you should be able to look above a few insults and gotten on with your gaming.
Liam said:
The next time it occurs and there isn’t an Admin on, please hop on IRC. http://www.wcugaming.org/irc.php and grab someone. There’s almost always an Admin on there who’s available and this way we can pop in when the problem is happening and take a look.
Word, its been a while since I have been admin on WCU and I dont know many of the admins who play on the server now. Back when I was a part of it it was Split and AdamBomb.
And thanks for the info, I will drop in next time.
heat! said:
are we all middle school girls yappin here? banned for blocking? i dont know maybe a little harsh. i would have 1 day ban and thats it.I don’t mean for him to be PERM. banned. Just a ban of even a few minutes or hours would have been sufficient at the time. Just SOMETHING to show him its not cool what he is doing. Heck, I would have been ok with an admin just slaying him over and over.
It’s not so much that he was blocking ONE time or something. If it was once I would not have brought this up.
He has done this same thing in the server for the past 3-5 nights. And not only does he block, but he blocks major routes that pretty much funnels the whole team into the remaining areas which means easy pickings for the other team, and in some maps there may only be 2 ways out of spawn. And on top of that he is no help to the team and you can see in the demo’s he mostly just bothered the other players or camped.
Anyhow, it’s not a HUGE deal, I just figure its probably best for him to be taken care of so the community of people who really enjoy playing on the server (me included) do not get bitter.
Kuros said:
I can’t ban without a SteamID. Give me a SteamID and i’ll give him a vacation.Its not in the logs somewhere?
I guess I will just have to wait until he comes back into the server to get it.
I’ll post it here when I get it.
Bitey said:
As of right now the upload limit on our servers is 2 MB, we hope to change that soon.Thats cool. I found another place to host them.
RaVeN DiZzle said:
I gotta be honest. I checked this guy out thoroughly tonight. Not only did I spec him, but I switched teams and followed the guy….and while all these people were yelling at/about him on their mics, I didn’t see anything in the way of blocking…..I’m just being honest here.I didn’t appreciate getting all the “kick him now”, and when I didn’t, all the “you suck as an admin” quotes. Thats not nice. I wanted to make sure I was doing the right thing, had I in fact kicked him. But I didn’t see anything wrong with his playing.
Sorry, I’ve done all I can do. Maybe if you can get a demo showing otherwise, it might help.
I have all 3 demo’s and it SAID it uploaded them. I can host them somewhere else.
And as far as the “Kick him now” and “You’re a bad admin” statements. I never said you were a bad admin. I mearly took it upon myself to do your job.
I have no problem with you and have been admin before in a few different servers and know its not always easy to catch hackers/bad players/etc, but while you say you checked him out thoroughly…it only took me 3 rounds to get good enough demo’s.
I will find a new host for the demo’s and link them. ASAP.
Thanks,
Chubby Bear.
Here is the link to the Demo’s.
RaVeN DiZzle said:
Poker wasn’t blocking, lol. I followed the guy around, I hadn’t seen any block. I wanted to make sure before I kicked him. I kicked you because, well, your ranting on the mic was rediculous to say the least. Can’t have that man. And your constant demands of “kick this guy now” etc. Your “you suck as an admin”. Dude, who peed in your corn flakes?? Respect goes both ways, and your behavior was unacceptable.However what I am failing to understand is, why would you appeal it as a ban? Whats wrong with you?
just to see if he would kick me
So, you were basically asking to be kicked? You wanted me to kick you so in turn you could complain?
I bet to differ Raven. I have demo’s as PROOF he WAS blocking. You did not take the time to even go into spec. to see if he was. You can see my post here: http://www.wcugaming.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7460
Thanks.
