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When did we start restricting some weapons in a game we have always allowed everything . Yet now the auto sniper is restricted ? why ? because some one dies by it to much and it makes them mad? Is it still not part of the game as a whole
I personally feel weapon restrictions to be a joke. You can kill autosnipers, they can kill you. It’s the cycle of things.
gxti said:
It’s an experiment. Who is losing out, anyway? People who can’t aim?it has nothing to do with weather or not a person can aim . But it has everything to do with not changing the game from the way the makers made it .
OK. I’ll go ahead and take off manimod and eventscripts, and put DWP back on while I’m at it. Have fun.
Sarcasm. Good stuff.
If you’re going to ban the autosniper from CT’s, you might as well ban the autosniper T side as well
.Frankly I’m tired of seeing people moan and groan about the autosniper and AWP. If you can’t avoid them or hide from them then you shouldn’t be complaining to begin with. If you’re ever going to become better at the game you have to learn to use every weapon as well as kill those using them as well. Although they may seem “cheap” and “easy” to use, stop QQ’ing and just deal with it. You’ll see me QQ’ing tons about the Krieg/Bullpup but I just bite my tongue and deal with it.
I thought I did ban the T auto. Also – you’re right. The game is fair and balanced – when you’re scrimming. This is a pub. People don’t know how to rush a sniper, they *edited* out and peek one at a time, then moan when they get their heads ripped off. Banning autosnipers helps balance the game out a little.
While I agree that the game is completely different when one is scrimming or in a match, one has to start out somewhere. If someone in a scrim is using the autosniper against you, how are you going to react if you’ve never encountered a person using the autosniper in a PuB to begin with? While yes, it does “balance” the game out a bit one has to learn somewhere.
You can learn in practices for matches or scrims, since this is a pub wouldn’t it be wise to keep it populated by keeping the majority happy?
Agreed the main point is to keep the majority happy, I was not arguing for or against the banning of the Auto’s, I was just stating some points and opinions
. People are always going to whine about weapons, if it isn’t the auto it’ll be the AWP, etc.Oh! This is the topic for me! It makes sence to restrict the weapons at some times. The auto should be totaly banned from Assault, because people like me get an auto on a T and kill a bazzilion CTs and the whole server emptys. Those kinds of situations. Personally, I think it is a better idea to simply restrict the number allowed per team if it is becoming a problem. Most of the time people gripe about the auto and awp constantly because they are restricted almost everywhere and people start feeling pampered by the fact that it takes multiple bullets to kill them. Personally I think all weapons should be totaly unrestricted and if you can’t deal with it, tough cookies, but in the intrest of keeping the total number of people on the server up there are a few times when the number of awp and autos should be cut down. Awps and autos really on become a problem when a large majority of people have them, or when the number of people on the server is small and that is the time when they should be restricted a bit in number, although a no point should a weapon be totaly out of bounds. After all, what’s the point of having an awp and no one to shoot with it?
~Killty-Chan
speakin of the awp’er… man that thing’s got power. some loser put it on the ground while we were playin maybe aztec or whatever it was called, and I gave it a try, and me likes. sure it’s an advantage, that thing could really mess you up, but if the other team plays really smart and picks up a few, well, that’s what turned the game last time. we got so used to aiming really fast and really well, basic rules of survival when you got a piece o crap weapon with the accuracy of a slingshot, and when we got the awp’er, well, just dang.
Friends, countrymen, fellow Counter-Strike players, Lend me your ears for I come bearing grave tidings! This is something that some of you will rejoice at, and some will weep over. Weapons have become restricted. I speak not of the ever popular AK or the Colt, but of the AWP and the Auto. Weapons which all of you know well and have come to love and cherish! But these weapons have been STRUCK from the server! But why? you may ask. And i will answer. It is because some people see such weapons as a threat to the established order! They think that these weapons are too powerful and have no place in the game we all love so much.
I come here today to tell you that such is NOT the truth! The AWP, while powerful, is not a weapon that anyone can simply pick up and slay vast armies with. It requires great skill and dedication to be used properly.
Many people stop when they hear this and say “But it will kill me in just one bullet! That is not fair!”
So I go to the one who wields the AWP, and ask him, “My child, Do you think the awp is too powerful?.”
And he says “No, it is a balanced thing.”
And I ask, “But how can this be? Many people say the AWP gives them no chance, that is simply kills them all.”
And he says, “Ahhh, a simple smoke gernade could blind me and make my AWP useless. The AWP is slow to fire. You say many came to you to ask you to remove the AWP, but they all came to me, one at a time. When I use the AWP, i can not gaurd behind myself, or even to the sides. It is a simple matter to defeat an AWP, but no one is willing to try.”
And I ask him, “How did you come to use the AWP?”
And he answers, “I was killed by one who used the AWP many times.”
And I ask him, “But did that not make you hate the AWP?”
And he says, “No, it taught me to love the AWP, for just as you may strike one down with the AWP, one may also be striken. The awp will not garuntee victory, it is simply the weapon I prefer. I can not help it if others are so skillless they must remove anything that is greater than them.”
So I go back to the people who first came to me.
And I say to these people, “My children, Did you use your smoke gernades?”, And the people say “No, I did not.”
And I ask the people, “My children, Did you try and avoid the AWP?”, and the people say “No, I did not.”
And I ask the people, “My children, Did you flank the AWP?”, and the people say, “No, I did not.”
And then I ask the people, “My children, Why did you not use the AWP to fight back?”
And the people give no answer, just hang thier heads in shame.
And I ask the people, “My children, you made no attempt to defeat the AWP, you made no attempt to learn the AWP, and yet you come to me and say ‘It is too powerful, make it cease to exist!’ I think perhaps that it is not the AWP that is lacking, but you!”
My point here is, the AWP is an easy weapon to beat, its just no one ever tries, they just ban it from the server whenever they see it. Same with auto. The auto gets flamed as a weapon that any idiot with no aim can pick up and kill hundreds with. Not true. The auto is just as capable of getting spray and pray shots as any other weapon, which is what happenes when any random idiot picks it up. Yes, the auto is incredibly lethal in a skilled user’s hands, but so is any other gun. Removing the AWP and the Auto simply because you personaly can’t fight back agianst them is no “balancing the game” or “making it more fair”, its simply avoiding any difficulty you encounter instead of dealing with it. Grow some back bone or balls or guts or whatever it takes and confront the things you have trouble with. If you are never challenged, you will never grow.
~Killty-Chan
FWIW, I didn’t remove the AWP, I restricted it to one per team to prevent douchebaggery. Also, you may be aware that this is a pub. People are stupid. People cannot deal with snipers. People die, *edited*, and moan. Weapons get restricted. I rest my case.
actually I totally agree with killty chan and gxti similtaneously. yes, gxti is right, these people are here often just to boost their stats or whatever. so they complain when it is not easy. but yet killty chan got it in that it is simple learning that must be done. flanking, dodging, smoke nades, etc. are all wonderfully effective. I know this well. I am all for unlimiting them. we just need to add a balls requirement clause to the motd for the server.
cerevox said:
Friends, countrymen, fellow Counter-Strike players, Lend me your ears for I come bearing grave tidings! This is something that some of you will rejoice at, and some will weep over. Weapons have become restricted. I speak not of the ever popular AK or the Colt, but of the AWP and the Auto. Weapons which all of you know well and have come to love and cherish! But these weapons have been STRUCK from the server! But why? you may ask. And i will answer. It is because some people see such weapons as a threat to the established order! They think that these weapons are too powerful and have no place in the game we all love so much.I come here today to tell you that such is NOT the truth! The AWP, while powerful, is not a weapon that anyone can simply pick up and slay vast armies with. It requires great skill and dedication to be used properly.
Many people stop when they hear this and say “But it will kill me in just one bullet! That is not fair!”
So I go to the one who wields the AWP, and ask him, “My child, Do you think the awp is too powerful?.”
And he says “No, it is a balanced thing.”
And I ask, “But how can this be? Many people say the AWP gives them no chance, that is simply kills them all.”
And he says, “Ahhh, a simple smoke gernade could blind me and make my AWP useless. The AWP is slow to fire. You say many came to you to ask you to remove the AWP, but they all came to me, one at a time. When I use the AWP, i can not gaurd behind myself, or even to the sides. It is a simple matter to defeat an AWP, but no one is willing to try.”
And I ask him, “How did you come to use the AWP?”
And he answers, “I was killed by one who used the AWP many times.”
And I ask him, “But did that not make you hate the AWP?”
And he says, “No, it taught me to love the AWP, for just as you may strike one down with the AWP, one may also be striken. The awp will not garuntee victory, it is simply the weapon I prefer. I can not help it if others are so skillless they must remove anything that is greater than them.”
So I go back to the people who first came to me.
And I say to these people, “My children, Did you use your smoke gernades?”, And the people say “No, I did not.”
And I ask the people, “My children, Did you try and avoid the AWP?”, and the people say “No, I did not.”
And I ask the people, “My children, Did you flank the AWP?”, and the people say, “No, I did not.”
And then I ask the people, “My children, Why did you not use the AWP to fight back?”
And the people give no answer, just hang thier heads in shame.
And I ask the people, “My children, you made no attempt to defeat the AWP, you made no attempt to learn the AWP, and yet you come to me and say ‘It is too powerful, make it cease to exist!’ I think perhaps that it is not the AWP that is lacking, but you!”
My point here is, the AWP is an easy weapon to beat, its just no one ever tries, they just ban it from the server whenever they see it. Same with auto. The auto gets flamed as a weapon that any idiot with no aim can pick up and kill hundreds with. Not true. The auto is just as capable of getting spray and pray shots as any other weapon, which is what happenes when any random idiot picks it up. Yes, the auto is incredibly lethal in a skilled user’s hands, but so is any other gun. Removing the AWP and the Auto simply because you personaly can’t fight back agianst them is no “balancing the game” or “making it more fair”, its simply avoiding any difficulty you encounter instead of dealing with it. Grow some back bone or balls or guts or whatever it takes and confront the things you have trouble with. If you are never challenged, you will never grow.
~Killty-Chan
This is the greatest post ever.
I love you.
TURN OFF RESTRICTIONS!
Meh.
Personally I despise the awp, I think it is cheap, one or two per team would be fine with me, that way good players will get to hang on to them and stupid player’s won’t get so *edited* lucky. Furthermore I think if you get *edited*ed over by a smoke while awping then you are just stupid, just as your target can come and flank you, soyou can you also move away from the location of the smoke. The choke *edited* will wait long enough that you can easily reposition. Also if your awping try and keep track of time in your head, has it been long enough for someone to come around and flank you?
I don’t know where the mad love for these weapons comes from. Personally I think it is like the people who *edited* about getting stomped at a game like Virtua fighter or Rogues in wow, they just want an easy mode in the form of an awp or auto.
Now if someone scoutz my *edited*, respect right there. And since the restriction i have noticed a few times where I have gotten scouted. Good players who make kills with that thing truly deserve it. Otherwise if i wanted to play with what amounts to a rail gun id load up some quake.Killty basically posted in a 5 page paper what I said in a sentence.
People will ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS *edited* about the AWP and Auto. Well that is until they start using one, then they shut the hell right up.
Restricting it to one per team seems to be fine for me, as most teams normally have only one anyways. But then, what’s the purpose of giving a team one AWP and letting their most skilled AWPer use it and hold it the same amount of time he/she would’ve normally used it for? The good AWPers don’t get killed easily, the crappy ones lose it in a heartbeat.
lordkuros said:
Weapon restrictions stay. Too many complaints against than fighters for.That’s just wrong.
If you’re gonna restrict, at LEAST put it to 2 per team.
Yes, many people do *edited* and moan about the awp, but the then people *edited* and moan about everything. “OMG that guy flashed me!”, “No fair, He shot me with a deagle from 30 feet away!” “That guy just poped out and shotgunned 3 of us!” etc etc etc. Somehow the awp just got set up as the scapegoat for all this. I suspect that it got this status because it is unforgiving of mistakes with its incredibly slow rate of fire and complete lack of close in combat ability. It is not a friendly weapon the first time you pick it up. Almost every other gun can at the very least be sprayed with a chance to kill. Compared to the awp, even the Scout is capable of a “spray” altough i use that term losely here.
The awp often gets refered to as the golden gun of CS, and with good reason. For any of yall who don’t know or don’t remember the Golden Gun was a pistol used by an assasin in a james bond film. It only had one bullet, but it was a very powerful bullet, almost like a tiny frag gernade. The assasin who used it was known to never miss, which is why he needed only one bullet.
It is the same concept with the awp. Lets say you have a chance to kill a foe. With a p90, your chance is spread out over the length of your spray, lasting until one of you dies or escapes. The same applies to all the other guns. Even the scout is similar because despite its bolt action the time between bullets it barley more than a second or two and a player is capable of firing multiple times at a single foe. The awp is diffrent, its bolt is slightly slower. The player wielding it is slowed by its wieght. A reload takes ages. With the awp, the player has taken all of thier chance to slay thier foe, and put it into a single shot. The same player may well kill you with the awp, or a colt, or an ak, or a p90. They may even kill you without you managing to hit them back. But that dosen’t annoy people as much as the awp. The reason is simple. The person has said, “I bet I can kill my opponet with a single bullet.” For someone new to the awp, the chance of them pulling it off seems near impossible, while those skilled with the awp can manage it quite frequently.
Because of this the awp has turned into some kind of elite weapon in the minds of many. A weapon beyond the powers of mere mortals, and only a select few can use such a weapon without being driven insane. I admit, no one ever says that, but if you watch the conversations in servers about the awp, thats pretty much what they say.
The awp is a weapon that requires more skill than any other weapon to be used well. Any moron can get a kill or two with an awp, by killling the other morons, but to kill many players or to kill good players requires either a great deal of luck, skill or a combination of both. However! Just as the AWP requires a great deal of skill, if you have that skill it rewards you for it proportionaly. I can understand why people would not like the awp, it allows a player to condence an entire fight into a fraction of a second, but if you understand the awp, then you can deal with that and come out of it alive.
My point is, the AWP is a very diffrent weapon, and because it is diffrent it is singled out, but instead of simply tossing it out like last week’s garbage give it a chance to prove itself.
I understand that full un-restriction is not likley to happen, but allowing just one or two AWPs per team seems like a balanced way to go about it. That way there is no real reason for compliant, since it is only one AWP, and if you truly despise them, you can simply not go near it. And that will allow the AWP to continue to function as a part of the entire game, keeping the balance of weapons that has made Counter Strike so popular throughtout the years.
~Killty-Chan
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Any moron can get a kill or two with an awp, by killling the other moronsNow add 5 morons doing this, killing one or two people each, and you begin to see the issue. It’s supposed to restrict to one per team, but people are telling me it’s not working that way.
gxti said:
Now add 5 morons doing this, killing one or two people each, and you begin to see the issue. It’s supposed to restrict to one per team, but people are telling me it’s not working that way.It gets ridiculous when a whole team has them but, then, wasn’t that what DWP was supposed to fix?
I still say 2 per team. 2 allows for balanced AWPing of the major run points of the popular maps (Dust2 has 3 or so good awping spots per team, so does office, etc) without whoring it out and having every hallway on lockdown.
The -biggest- problem with the AWP (and all other slow guns) is the “Q” trick. You know, where you switch weapons with enough skilleries that you get back to the AWP with it reloaded, somehow.
I can’t do it.
plus, just for the record, 90% of the people i’ve seen using the awp are very very narrowsighted. they have their alley they snipe on, and that is it. they have no peripheral vision whatsoever. Can you say knife kill? I mean, come on! you get past the death run by dodging maybe 2 shots total and then you are free to run around and get that prick. I do that often.
Falcon said:
plus, just for the record, 90% of the people i’ve seen using the awp are very very narrowsighted. they have their alley they snipe on, and that is it. they have no peripheral vision whatsoever. Can you say knife kill? I mean, come on! you get past the death run by dodging maybe 2 shots total and then you are free to run around and get that prick. I do that often.I love people that understand the balance the AWP really does have.
Put simply:
AWP >>> Idiots
Sensible Player >>> AWP
The AWP will always be a weapon of controversy and discussion. People will always fight for and fight against it. While this is a pub the way I look at it is this: until CAL/CPL bans it then it should stay. Restricted to one or two per team is fine, typically you don’t have more than 1-2 on a team with an AWP anyways.
Anything with a scope will typically and generally be easier to use than something without. The AWP generally gets the most feedback and criticism because it can kill in one hit. The problems as Killty stated are above, but on top of this you also have to factor in that while a “good” AWPer can take out a good portion of the team the AWPer still has to work with the team, otherwise he/she is bound to get flanked sooner or later and thus killed. Moving with the AWP is where most get problems because you have to be ABSOLUTELY still to shoot the AWP and hit the mark where you’re aiming, otherwise you’re likely to hit Kansas than your target. The weapon has its major drawbacks but also has its perks, much like every weapon in CS. As I’ve stated before, people will learn how to avoid and take on an AWP head on. As far as I can tell, those who have started to play a lot more and play against the AWP, they’re learning and have been able to
.1-2 per team like gxti said, sounds good to me.
i just read part of this thread.. When did we support restrictions? Its like saying. We pitty the noobies. wtf .. i vote to turn off restrictions. I like the guy to pick mid so i can flash him and get the easy kill. I like the guy with the auto in tspawn camping with bomb and is a disadvantage to his team.
if its allowed in or at the lan then it should be here also.
Adam Faulkner said:
i just read part of this thread.. When did we support restrictions? Its like saying. We pitty the noobies. wtf .. i vote to turn off restrictions. I like the guy to pick mid so i can flash him and get the easy kill. I like the guy with the auto in tspawn camping with bomb and is a disadvantage to his team.if its allowed in or at the lan then it should be here also.
QFT
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