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I’m not here to *edited* and moan or anything like that. I’m not playing on this server anymore, I think it’s pathetic that the points modifier for the shotgun has been turned down to .5, unlike EVERY OTHER GUN (other than pistols or snipers) in the game.
Good playin with ya
Renton said:
I’m not here to *edited* and moan or anything like that. I’m not playing on this server anymore, I think it’s pathetic that the points modifier for the shotgun has been turned down to .5, unlike EVERY OTHER GUN (other than pistols or snipers) in the game.Good playin with ya
Glad to know what you were here to play for. Me, I tend to play because I enjoy the community and the people. Not getting a boatload of points off of a weapon which valve screwed up the code for.
Heh, so you’re not going to play because the points one could get with the shotgun have been halved? You’re not going to play because you aren’t going to be able to get as many points with the shotgun as you could in the past? People were only using the shotgun to get a huge number of points and easy kills, that’s not something we support and we show this with lowering the modifier on weapons that are “easier” to kill people with such as the awp, autosniper, deagle, etc. Its funny that you decide to say something about it after enjoying yourself and having a grand time for over 2k kills with the shotgun and getting the same halved points, but yet now you’re upset and leaving?
Gotta love the shottie. Unlike EVERY OTHER GUN, the shotgun’s accuracy INCREASES when you jump. Oh, and the headhots from across the map, gotta love those too.
The gun is retarded.
I have to agree with him here, put the point modifier back to normal, you don’t see fRod, HeatoN using the pump shotty? It’s not that great of a gun. I mean why even have a point system if we are going to disparage it? Who cares what gun he uses? What I think is really at work here is people resenting getting killed by suck a *edited*ty weapon.
Why not restore the modifier back on the awp, autosniper, etc then as well? I mean, on every single map you see at least half of the server using shotguns. Jumping headshots with them, running around corners and jump-1shotting, 1shotting someone from 50 yards a way, etc. I don’t discourage him from using it, I discourage converting an entire server to using it and only it because they’re more concerned about points than anything else. The fact that you state names of what I assume are Pro’s in comparison to people here is just absurd, especially since they don’t exactly play on a pub, much less a setting where using a shotgun would be beneficial instead of others.
My point is that I don’t want to discourage people from using whatever weapons they want to use and they continue using it, if they enjoy using a weapon then they shouldn’t care about how many points they do or do not get from it.
Fascist Flakes (Jagr) said:
Why not restore the modifier back on the awp, autosniper, etc then as well?Agreed.
I don’t see how a shotgun is anymore beneficial here, the only time you will ever get a multi kill with it is on people who hesitate and deserve it.
I have no problem restoring the modifer for those guns to something reasonable, making it where you could get no more than 6, 7, maybe 8 points for those guns. I think you are entirely responsible for who you kill and how you die in this game.
In addition, I don’t see how you can say renton of all people is here only for the points, vast majority of the community knows him and knows that aint the case.
EDIT again, if you do the math on the stats page, 8000 kills with the m3 shotgun out o 177000 kills comes out to about 4.8 percent. Taking over the server with half the players using it every single map? *edited*ing hardly.
Christ final edit, people don’t only use the shotgun to get easy kills and points, they do it precisely because others get *edited*ed off and they will tell you that it is fun to use and funny to see someone with an absolutely amazing gun like the ak get waxed by a piece of *edited* like the pump.
Ok I am just gonna throw this out, lets get rid of the freaking stats system, I like other people DO NOT play here for stats I don’t give a crap about stats, I play here for the community and for fun, so why don’t we toss it out and see if we have people truly dedicated to the server for the community instead of just for some freaking digital points, that do nothing for you in life.
Hmmm, we tried that before bitey, it got kinda dead fast, but we didnt ahve as strong of a community. I don’t think many people stay a long time for the stats rather the community, but it gets people in here initially before they are able to make friends.
In the last month and a half the server has gone from 1-2 people using the shotgun regularly to me seeing 5+ people using it, especially using it only for points.
If Renton isn’t only here and using the shotgun for points, then why is he saying he’s going to leave due to point modifier being lowered by Kuros?
Brian, saying you don’t see how a shotgun is beneficial on a pub is once more absurd. Any gun can be used on a pub and can kill someone with it and be efficient as well as beneficial. The shotgun is a gun that gets a lot of 1-shot kills without much aim or effort as well as being extremely accurate while moving as well as jumping.
yeah, the 2 people who solely used to use it were renton and zoso, they did it because they had a lot of fun, then a few more people started emulating them because it is fun. By that same measure I like to awp now and then because it is fun to stop someone dead in their tracks and imagine then slapping their fist down as I do every now and then. I imagine it is the same for them.
I started using the shotgun in the hope that I could pull off the same BS kills those two got, or at least figure out how they did it, not because it was fun…
I know bitey, but I think that is the point for them, if you don’t take the game so serious bs kills are actually kind of funny, moreso when you are pulling them off yourself.
Guys i’m not gonna keep on this thread, you can duke it out… But i’ll put in my view of this.
Those who think it’s about the points have it all wrong, I loved bein up in pts when i was playing 8+ hours a day, but summer is the slow season in the business I’m in.
I’m not trying to compare myself to zoso or anything but I think he can agree that there’s somethin about the shotty that’s just fun to play with. I have been, and am a very good player with other guns, the first 3 months I was on this server I never even used a shotty. Then zoso mentioned about his 1500+ shotty kills, and well I just got carried away, but I found a love for a new weapon at the same time.
I don’t give a *edited* about the points, I care that you guys are directly discriminating against a particular gun of the same caliber as all other 1.0 modifier guns. so because now on rounds 2-5 there are a lot more shotties(5v2?) being used because it’s $1700, and less mp5s, you drop it down? I just don’t see any logic here.
I hit session a lot to see my headshot percentage a la the time being so I can correct my aim(as I suggest everyone does, it’s a very good technique I kinda hopped off nub), not to see that i’ve lost another 50 pts or gained another 10.
That’s all I’m saying about this subject, I don’t think a gun in the same class as the others should be discriminated against.
About the points? I think it’s funny that you say 2k shotty kills and i’m 20 or 30 somethin on the rankings, and I care about points. If I cared about points I’d be one of those crazy guys who are amazing with flashes and knife like crazy. I’ll be the first to admit I had a *edited*-ton of fun the week or two when the server was down and there was no point system. Though I firmly believe for the future of the server and to keep it a kick-*edited* top 50 server and the great community, it needs one.
I have a few other things but nothing important enough to talk about on here. And it’s late.
Some are filled with joy, and others with desperate hopes. But it’s the ones filled with fear that I like the most. For when you turn that corner, thinkin of who your gonna blast. I get there first, and stick my shotgun up your *edited*…
I think I should point out that I am not supporting that this was done, I am only upset that you are leaving because it was done, if your not concerned about points why does this bother you? The shotgun is still the same what it does has not changed, it should still be ‘fun’ to do as you do with it, the only difference is now you get less points with it.
It would bother me if I was singled out and basically mistreated based on the fact the weapon I constantly use wasn’t ‘liked’ by an insignificantly sized group of people…
Fine, take the game we all love and turn it into the game a select few enjoy. More than most people I get my *edited* handed to me by shot guns, I’ve never complained once about that as its within the realms of the game. And I still die probably 3x as much to people with the awp and deagle combo.
This whole thing seems more about getting at a few people who use the gun efffectively than the weapon itself… I frankly fail often with the shottie, its not some sort of super weapon unless in the right hands, same with the awp, the AK, the UMP even. In fact there are many people who use the shottie and come no where near the effectiveness of Renton, so really if its the High Kills and Shotgun combo you’re all so angry about, why don’t you just place the modifier directly on people like Renton? – Oh wait, that would be too obvious.
my question is who changed it?
Its Brians server, As he is the CS:S CL he should be notified (at the least) of what changes are going on. He is incharge of the community and when stuff is done behind his back the community reacts (as renton did). and if he wonts the shoddy to be 1/3/5/10/20point, then its set to his and his communities desire.
I completely agree. Currently the server is just used as a playground with little or no regard for the community at large that sustains it, the same community that is held up like a trophy to justify the self absorption that permeates many questionable decisions.
Brian is supposedly the CS:S Council Leader, it strikes me odd that all the negative things of late have bypassed him in some way when its supposed to be his job to foresee negative consequences of actions to decide whether they’re appropriate or not.
Currently theres a feudal system in place with Lord Kuros on top and his Barons who wield as much power as friendships allow with very little regard for the rules, systems of administration or morale groundings that should be being used to benefit and improve the Club and further the goals it originally set out with.
I’m not saying that to have people with overriding power is a bad thing, but the club has systems in place to stop that from becoming a bad thing, and they’re being ignored.
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Those who think it’s about the points have it all wrongThen what’s the problem? Are you *edited*ed based on some principle? Or do you just care about points and are trying to downplay that fact?
Either way is incredibly lame. So the point modifier was lowered. The gun is still there. You can still play with it. And the gameplay is not effected by the points lowering.
Here is the deal, I said I’d stop playing here for 2 reasons, agree or disagree with them I don’t care:
1)Yesterday I left Charlotte early for Columbia, worked 14 hours, got home at about 1 or so to find out this was done? I was *edited*ed kinda over reacted.
2)Would it have brought as much attention to this injustice(use another word I dont’ care, reasons to follow) if I had just posted a thread w/o saying it?
As I said earlier, it’s not about the points, I had a long conversation with brian that I didnt’ want to post most of my ideas because I love this community and dont’ want to cause any ill-will. (or get beat up at the lan
) One of the things I stressed to him that made me most angry was that this was done, as pink said, behind backs. And maybe there was knowledge in the council of this, but I’d consider this a fairly major change, and should have at least been posted somewhere in advance.“billyncgoodies says:
I understand that you guys should and need to make changes that affect the community without it having a say, not all changes of course, but some, I just don’t think any warning, or anything was given, at least a post saying hey… that was then, this is now… that’s what angers me the most – it seems to me like one of the admins got fed up, and went and changed it – and that’s why it’s diff, not that it was a change made by the council”
If the change was made for a few good reasons, hey that’s fine leave it where it is, post the reasons.
I’m not trying to sacrifice up the admins who do so much work for this server and I understand, respect, and love that. I started a *edited* admin love thread, you guys do a hell of a job. I just think this was not handled correctly.
I think I have every right to be *edited*ed off. Leaving it at that.
Well, I can agree with that there. Any changes made to the server should go through Brian since he is Council Leader. At least I was under the impression that it how things are supposed to go.
So you single out a gun that someone is good with? I’ve always been up for letting zoso/renton shottie me to death…and you know what, i still killed them about the same as they kill me. If your going to change the modifier on a gun like the shottie…then you might as well change it for everything…cuz ive seen people jumping hs with an ak…alrite…lower the modifier there…i’ve seen double kills with the m4…alrite….lower the modifier…
you just singled out 2 people who are good with a (in YOUR opinion) “*edited*tie gun” but in all fairness…thats totally against what an admin should do…take consideration for the server over your own little *edited*y fits…
also referring to the “why not put awp/auto pt’s back to normal” cuz IMO they are 1 point click dead guns…even thou im not good with them… there are people who are amazing with it, and more power to them…it’s their gun of choice…let them play the game how they want instead of limiting the game to them.
This isn’t the first time this has happened. You act like you’ve been singled out and that’s not the case. The awp, auto-snipers, and I believe the deagle as well all have slightly lower than default points modifiers.
my personal opinion i dont think any weapon should be mod at all. Anyone can buy the weapons they are whining bout and be as good with them with practice (AWP) the weapon most whined bout. The ones complaining are the ones that dont use them weapons. So im on renton side on this one.
Ha… Points.. what are points? Like a certificate, diploma you going to get a job after this and on your resume put… I had 8,829372987398178 pts. on a CS:S server and came in 1st place…. its just a game. Just get better at the other guns thats all.
Erm, no the deagle is at 1.2 the same as all the other pistols…
Look at the stats (actually I should assume you’ve already done this, but everything said thus far points to that assumption being wrong), the M3 is the primary weapon of one person, outside of that its used half effectively by a handful of people.
Now what leads you to believe its some sort of super newb weapon? That anyone and everyone is using to upset the balance of the server? That needs to be detrimented to force well ranked players to choose other weapons (which actually just means that only newbs can use it to play the point system with – something which is quite a backwards approach considering all thats been said about it…)
Its far less of a stretch to see this as singling out an individual because he has 2000+ kills with a gun that no one else can even come close to matching his skill with. If this is as its being presented a 1 shot kill, newb-anyone can use-gun, why is there only one case that reflects this?
Stat wise the M3 Shotgun is less effective than the common M4 and AK, with what seems to be a much higher learning curve that only one person has completed.
The stats go against all arguements presented against the weapon, nullifies all the *edited*ing that its only for newbs who cant aim and makes the the lowering of its point MOD look very much like an act thats only going to impact one person.
Hannah: Heh, yeah we should all just use the same gun, that’ll make the game more enjoyable for everyone… fail
pinkcs said:
Erm, no the deagle is at 1.2 the same as all the other pistols…Look at the stats (actually I should assume you’ve already done this, but everything said thus far points to that assumption being wrong), the M3 is the primary weapon of one person, outside of that its used half effectively by a handful of people.
Now what leads you to believe its some sort of super newb weapon? That anyone and everyone is using to upset the balance of the server? That needs to be detrimented to force well ranked players to choose other weapons (which actually just means that only newbs can use it to play the point system with – something which is quite a backwards approach considering all thats been said about it…)
Its far less of a stretch to see this as singling out an individual because he has 2000+ kills with a gun that no one else can even come close to matching his skill with. If this is as its being presented a 1 shot kill, newb-anyone can use-gun, why is there only one case that reflects this?
Stat wise the M3 Shotgun is less effective than the common M4 and AK, with what seems to be a much higher learning curve that only one person has completed.
The stats go against all arguements presented against the weapon, nullifies all the *edited*ing that its only for newbs who cant aim and makes the the lowering of its point MOD look very much like an act thats only going to impact one person.
Hannah: Heh, yeah we should all just use the same gun, that’ll make the game more enjoyable for everyone… fail
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