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It is my humble opinion, that Urban brings life to this website. If you guys notice, and yes I know he is a spammer, but in the few months that he was unbanned from the website, he was the second most active person next to Adambomb. I believe that he should be unbanned.
About the locked thread…Bitey you were utterly in the wrong…that was not adivce. I don’t care if you ‘know the type’. I have spoken to Urban about his conduct…I believe that what he said about Kuros was wrong, and I have expressed that to him. It might be his opinion, but he should not have expressed it in such a manner. I believe that is ok to express one’s opinion about whether or not someone is doing a good job or not, as I have several times in the past about several executives.
Though it is amazingly funny that you guys let him get to you. Adam and I still talk to him on aim…and if my memory serves me correct Dice and Loot never let urban get to them either.
I’m glad that the other thread was locked, it needed to be. If someone saw our club executives including server admins behaving that way, they would be turned off by it. We have to remimber our purpose…to bring potential students to WCU through our servers and website. It is not to cuss them out because they are immature…of course they are, they are our target audience. We just need to remimber this as we continue on.
It is my opinion that Urban be unbanned permanently. If you don’t like urban, DON’T TALK TO HIM. This is just one alumni’s opinion.
Urban wanted me to post this, so here goes…
“ashley is my spokesperson =) and adams hot secretary lol. oh and she definately has a crush on me cause im so cute and cuddly =)”(Urban 8/23/07 at 4:07pm)
Wasn’t advice? He doesn’t listen anyways why does it matter? I don’t care what the kid does anymore or where he goes, he’s beyond reason or help, he needs to grow up and until I think he should remain away from here. He doesn’t get to me either I just can’t stand ignorant, pompous brats who think they know everything and talk down to anyone they can.
Bitey, are you an adult? Are you an Admin to our server? Are you a representative of WCU? Please restrain your self from behaving as those you say you can’t stand. Please remimber that although you are an adult, you are an admin to our servers, and you are a representative of WCU, its is through you and other admins that we reach our audience. All that I am asking for, is a little restraint. I would say maturity, but its from a woman’s perspective that the behavior desplayed by our admins in the locked thread, was that of immaturity. If you don’t let him get to you, why were you so mad. You can’t say you don’t let him get to you when you argue with him.
I can’t say I didn’t miss his antics, although his first thread after the return quickly changed my mind. Quite frankly, everyone in that thread was acting childish. Some of the insults aimed at him sounded like something from middle school. If you want to demonstrate how mature you are, it’s about time you start acting like it.
i love that little turd burglar. He is fun to play in the server with he brings something unique to our server. but as far as being unbanned permanently knowone has the right, and i can only imagen urbans actions if he knew he wouldent be baned. i also talk to him on aim everyone once in awile, and he acts preatty cool one on one. but i he deffently trolls admins and pushes their buttons and we can simply not have that. i’d rather have our loyal admins that urban if it came down to it
Alot of the people complain about things like
-“he screams on his mic ingame” .. just mute him
-“he called me a disrepsectful name” .. what did you call him?
the one i love most
-“I just dont like him” .. i say get over it
i think alot of people just look at him that way because alot of people his age do act that way.
Regardless i think some good has come from having urban around. isn’t he the youngest person on the forums? .. i think that makes us look good. Arn’t we playing video games anyway? I think alot of people would say that is thing they did back in their “Childhood”
I dont think urban is right most of the time .. I dont think urban is in the right even half the time. But I do think that we can moderate what he can and cant do. we are admins .. we can delete his posts if they get out of hand. we can mute/gag/ slay /temp ban
ABritt said:
Bitey, are you an adult? Are you an Admin to our server? Are you a representative of WCU? Please restrain your self from behaving as those you say you can’t stand. Please remimber that although you are an adult, you are an admin to our servers, and you are a representative of WCU, its is through you and other admins that we reach our audience. All that I am asking for, is a little restraint. I would say maturity, but its from a woman’s perspective that the behavior desplayed by our admins in the locked thread, was that of immaturity. If you don’t let him get to you, why were you so mad. You can’t say you don’t let him get to you when you argue with him.Yes I am an adult. Yes I am an Admin. Yes I represent WCU. And please if you don’t mind, try not to take my words and contradict me, I NEVER act immature when I am being serious with someone, if you can’t tell when I am joking and when I am not, then I am sorry I will try to make it clearer, I try to make it as clear as I can. Also there is a difference between immaturity and jokes, if you can’t tell that difference please come talk to me and I will show you.
And please re-read my posts, if you think I was angry in that thread you don’t know me at all, I am probably (other than brian) one of the most laid back people you will meet, you have met me before. All I was trying to do was approach him in a different angle than he has been approached before, so please for the love of god stop getting mad at me for trying to help another person.
Being such a noob that I don’t know how to quote someone on the forums I can still honestly say I think bitey is right here. He began by saying the exact same thing you just lectured him. Can I blame him for the way he reacted after urban replied? No.
Here is a suggestion .. do not create drama with people you can’t handle. You will just dig yourself a hole.
I read your post ..
Shut up kid, your the one still trying to stir *edited* up, if you don’t like people ignore them, otherwise stfu this is the internet.
I gave you advice, nothing more, I’m not arguing with you its pointless. But for one thing don’t call me a kid I have more hair on my big toe than you do anywhere on your body, show respect to people who are older than you, from what I can tell that is where you go wrong. You don’t make the rules of the internet so like I said stfu and stop trying to stir *edited* up.
Hahahahahaha…..hahahaha.hahaha….whew oh wow I needed that, call me when your balls drop we’ll have a draw….hahahaha.ahahaha.hahahaha…hahaha
quotes from you .. read them again for yourself
So, I wasn’t the only one that read that…See Ma went to college, got a masters and I CAN read…
Now that was a Joke…
Adam Faulkner said:
Here is a suggestion .. do not create drama with people you can’t handle. You will just dig yourself a hole.I read your post ..
Shut up kid, your the one still trying to stir *edited* up, if you don’t like people ignore them, otherwise stfu this is the internet.
I gave you advice, nothing more, I’m not arguing with you its pointless. But for one thing don’t call me a kid I have more hair on my big toe than you do anywhere on your body, show respect to people who are older than you, from what I can tell that is where you go wrong. You don’t make the rules of the internet so like I said stfu and stop trying to stir *edited* up.
Hahahahahaha…..hahahaha.hahaha….whew oh wow I needed that, call me when your balls drop we’ll have a draw….hahahaha.ahahaha.hahahaha…hahaha
quotes from you .. read them again for yourself
OK I will take your advice, I am not going into an argument with you on this because that is utterly retarded, you missed my posts where I told him I was going to be real with him, figures you would miss those huh? Regardless like I said sorry I didnt do things your way when giving some one advice, but don’t patronize me anymore, I am tired of you two ganging up on me in this thread, drop it because I am giving up on advice, guess its not my field.
I’ll post here what I posted in the admin section…
MasterP said:
From my experience as admin on TAG’s servers, people never change. They mask it to get what they want then switch back over to *edited*-everyone-off mode as soon as they get it. If this guys been banned as many times as you say, he’s obviously not willing/capable of learning.He’s young, so? Trust me when I tell you that young people are MUCH more likely to run off players than older people as I’ve had one young player run 3 people out of my clan before I kicked him. Sure he’s more mature NOW but that doesn’t erase the community PR damage he did or bring the one’s that he ran off back.
Yeah, I read that from the admin section, and experience leads me to believe that your not entirely accurate. Yes he is young, yes he is immature, but who can honestly say that they weren’t when they were his age. Who can honestly say that they still aren’t now? I don’t know too many people, my self included that still don’t act immature every once and a while.
How many people have left the WCU Gaming Club because of Urban? I honestly just don’t know. But someone doesn’t have to be young to be annoying.
From personal experience, there have been a few members of the gaming club that have made me irate. Made me say screw the gaming club, as I’m sure a few of you have heard me say. But the Gaming Club is bigger than just a few minor annoyances. It’s about bringing potential college students and college students and alumni together, its about bringing pc gamers and console gamers and any other gamer out there together. I know this to be true as I did have my hand in the constitution, and that is what Adam and I discussed when I was writing it.
There are always going to be an ‘Urban’ out there annoying you, whether it is Urban or not, there is always going to be that kid that just thinks he knows everything and likes to push your buttons. When are you guys going to say enough is enough and stop letting it bother you? As long as they know it bothers you, they’ll keep doing it. Urban used to pester and bash me, until I refused to let him get to me, and now is very polite and respectful.
Let’s think about Adam’s approach to things. How many of you can honestly say that you do not like Adam? I don’t know of any, (except ITS). Now Adam is a very laid back guy, and lets things roll of his shoulders. He has only gotten mad at one person/two people in this club since he founded it. (Not including ITS…that battle still rolls on unfortuatly) But they were major issues. He is the guy that walked into Housing and set up a meeting with the head guy down there and talked him into buying our very first box and banners/flyers and food and drink (which unless its changed they still do). That was in 2004-2005. Urban, I think used to try and mess with Adam but Adam always laughed about it and took his comments as a joke. Sometimes Urban contributed positively, sometimes not. But we can all say that applies to us as well.
I’m not saying you have to like Urban, I’m not saying you have to agree with my opinion. I am saying that it is time you gamers realize that there is always going to be that one annoying guy that makes you think twice about going into this server or that. But are you going to let him take the joy you get out of playing away? The gamers I know wouldn’t. They would just mute/slay/temp ban. And if I’m not mistaken everyone that has posted here in this thread, with the exception of me is a server admin. So use your admin abilities, without abusing them.
My problem is that if we followed that approach there wouldn’t be anyone in the ban list. There are people out there that push buttons, some by accident but many on purpose. How far do we, as a community, stretch our rules to allow for his button pushing? You reach a point where the button pushing gets old, and for most it seems they are already there with this particular player, but what is that breaking point for you and Adam? It seems that, following your ideals, this player could do literally anything short of hacking and never get banned, simply because he is younger than anyone else.
Maybe he’ll grow up, maybe he won’t, but why let him continue to make people mad now when you know he hasn’t changed yet. Sure, there’s always potential but eventually you have to see an rtard for who he/she really is and act accordingly.
I’ve got limited literature to go on here, but this seems very similar to a situation I’ve seen reguarly over the past decade, thats happening far more frequently due to the change in the demographic of internet users.
You have an immature person. Someone with a level of maturity but a penchant for a certain type of attention. And a problem.
This thread is an awfully wordy battle over banning on behalf of one person who has, and will probably admit to atleast partially bringing it down on themselves.
There is no real boon/gain or loss to a ban from a forum like this. Especially when you still manage contact with the person in question. Its just a matter of (in third person) ‘my opinion on the situation benefits my social environment’.
Someone you want gets unbanned and you have your happy environment the way you personally like it.
The fact that your personal social environmental preference is accepting of a certain type of behaviour due to perhaps a fondness or feeling of maternal protection should have no bearing on rules or common desireable etiquette. It is the preference and purpose of the forum that are paramount.
A person who permits themselves to continue to perform actions that run counter to the well-being or interests of other members of the community for nothing more than defining their own character is a social problem to the community. It is unfortunate that the action to counter such activity is normally the revocation of privillages afforded to someone, but 24/7 moderation or individually baby sitting is not the purpose or role of the administration or the community at large.
This isn’t a, ‘play nice’ situation. This is pure forum moderation ethics. The administration may post to the extents we all do, but you can’t use those posts to argue motives when actions are pure proceedure.
There will always be that annoying ‘guy… or girl’ that makes you THINK. But fortunately, here atleast, there will always be administration, and we don’t have to suffer an imperfect world for the benefit of the few, the uncouth or those who refuse to think.
I just want to apologize to Ex. Urban was rude and wrong today. I commend you for your broad step today. I am sorry that he hasn’t changed.
But let’s not get confused about the issue. This is not about Urban, it’s not about being young and dumb. It’s about admins acting like admins and not abusing power. It’s about the club executives and admins being an example. It’s about bringing potential students to this club.
So MasterP, if you followed mine and adams ideals no one would be on the ban list huh? Interesting…someone doesn’t know what he is talking about. Adam and Adam worked really hard on coding the ban list, Adam even wrote the server rules. He made most of the Admins admins. He gave you all the tools you guys would need to be good admins…slap/slay/mute/gag/etc. geez. Oh and If I get personal, it is only when someone attacks Adam. Know that for future reference.
And Just to get one thing straight, Urban means nothing more to me than any other person on this website doesn’t. I am only maternal about this club, not its members. Sorry, but you weren’t there in the beginning, you don’t know its history and obviously don’t appreciate what this club has gone through just to be here, just to be able to be having this discussion right now. Don’t take it for granted. It wasn’t gotten easily. And its still a struggle to maintain, ask Kuros ask Dice, man you can even ask Josh. I am only trying to make the club stronger, by making its exec’s and admins more professional in their approach to handling the clubs’ tasks.
Urban didn’t come whining to me or Adam. He didn’t even want to talk about it. But I felt/feel that though he was in the wrong too, there were others that were just as wrong and they were not punished for their actions. To be honest the one thing that I really didn’t like about the thread was the language being used and the fact that it wasn’t filtered. You guys should be more grown up when you communicate. I’m just going to say it and drop it…but if some one does a search for a derogatory term, I don’t want us being the first to pop up on the search engine as we were in the past.
And I have never been an advocate for HACKING.
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“Oh and If I get personal, it is only when someone attacks Adam. Know that for future reference.” … “Urban didn’t come whining to me or Adam.”You ignore, then highlight the issue I described in my previous post. Its not admin abuse, its your friends above all, which when put into practice results in admin abuse. Its called, favouritism. And you act smart enough to know this.
You can’t hide dark deeds behind shiney intentions and ‘act’ the high and mighty when the original arguement is unfortunately initially flawed.
You’re obviously a keen person with a fairly good and expanding intellect, if you’d learned in this instance instead of acting based on your feelings you could’ve easily come back with a very valid arguement, and you probably still should. Unfortunately you’re pushing dramatics over logical and ethical outcomes.
People react badly to people who act badly. Language should be moderated some what to fall inline with Club and Campus standards. And, often people involved in this instance are the ones reminding people like me about this fact. But again, people react badly to people who act badly.
I’II conclude by saying that Clubs like these are a learning experience for all actively involved. This instance again is a learning experience, its not an instance to chastise the Club but to reinforce the message of the experience to further the Club and its main assets, which are those who respect it and those who run it. This is probably something that you’re trying to do, but the approach can be faulted this time round.
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