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I didn’t feel as though the ending was very rushed at all, throughout the story of the game Raynor was upset and concerned with Kerrigan, it was a constant reminder for him and a motivational piece. The entire story was based around Raynor and Tychus fighting against Mengsk while collecting pieces of the Xelnaga artifacts, we just didn’t know what the Xelnaga Artifact did. The revelation of it “saving” Kerrigan was a bit abrupt, I admit, they didn’t seem to really know what exactly it would do just that it was extremely powerful. Sure it was kinda predictable with Kerrigan being saved, but that obviously doesn’t mean that Kerrigan’s role in the story is a done deal. It may be nothing but if you take a look at Kerrigan’s hair at the end it still looks like that of the Queen of Blades’ hair, in color as well as how it looks shape-wise.
I believe that Blizzard definitely knows what they’re doing, they wouldn’t have released the game if people were going to think that the story sucked or that the ending was rushed. While it may be semi-cliffhanger is definitely ties up a lot of the story while leaving plenty of room for the expansions.
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The campaign will center on the infested Kerrigan’s quest for power through mutations. The more power she has, the more Zerg she can control. The single-player is planned to play a bit differently than Wings of Liberty but we’re not quite sure how yet. Lead designer Dustin Browder proposed that the player might use the Zerg armies to protect Kerrigan on the battlefield while she gains more power.”Source: Kotaku
There is obviously a lot of guessing that people have been doing and not much is known about “Heart of the Swarm” but I’m sure there will be plenty of story and done right from Blizzard, they haven’t lacked in the story department on their games in a while. You knew you weren’t going to get to play as Kerrigan during the terran portion of the game, why are you upset about the ending of this portion? Lol
NuRayZ said:
Citan001 said:
Well her driving force was revenge not bloodlust. She was *edited*ed at mengsk for leaving her and she thinks raynor did the same. Did i catch that right that the xel’naga are part zerg part protoss? The protoss say the xelnaga made them and the zerg but then who made the terrans?
terrans were decendents of a fleet of prison ships which warped into the zerg/protoss galaxy way back in the day; originally from earth. Unable to contact home (probably didn’t want to anyway) they colonized 4 planets and yeah thats the terran.
I know they were convicts and what not but I though it was all just 1 galaxy. I dont recall ever reading/hearing that they warped into this strange new place. I though the ships crash landed on a random planet.
Citan001 said:
Well her driving force was revenge not bloodlust. She was *edited*ed at mengsk for leaving her and she thinks raynor did the same. Did i catch that right that the xel’naga are part zerg part protoss? The protoss say the xelnaga made them and the zerg but then who made the terrans?
That ignores the Brood War campaigns. In them, Kerrigan stuck an alliance with Raynor, the protoss zealot Fenix, and Arcturus Mengsk to push the UED out of the Koprulu Sector. She used their puppet alliance to destroy the second overmind which returned full control of the zerg swarm back to her. Once she regained control, she turned the swarm against the terrans, UED, and protoss.
The Xel’naga are not in any way related to any of the other races in Starcraft. They are a completely seperate race that is much, much older than any of them. They “created” the protoss and zerg by manipulating their natural development. With the protoss they gave them relics, greatly increased their natural development, introduced themselves as “gods” and then when the protoss started to fight each other *edited*ed their pants and ran away. They then took the zerg, a small insect species, and gave them a couple million year evolution bump that eventually made them the dominant species on the planet and allowed them to assimilate other species. To prevent them from civil warring, they slaved the species to a hive mind (the Overmind) and kept watch over their progress via a hidden telepathic link. The zerg eventually captured a space faring creature, attacked the Xel’naga in orbit, did the whole zerg infest thing with most of them, and learned about the protoss. The Overmind was programmed specifically to assimilate the protoss, hence the constant warring between the zerg and protoss.
Citan001 said:
I know they were convicts and what not but I though it was all just 1 galaxy. I dont recall ever reading/hearing that they warped into this strange new place. I though the ships crash landed on a random planet.I don’t think warping was mentioned at all until SC2. The original “colonists” aka political prisoners were on sleeper ships. They’re still in the same galaxy as Earth but are on the outer edge aka fringe, I think it was something like 60,000 LY from Earth. The 4 ships went their seperate ways but the ship that landed on Tarsonis had the fleet’s AI and was able to get a technological head start over the other colonies. They colonized other planets and eventually conquered the other 2 colony empires. The fourth colony ship crash landed, killing most onboard so they never really took off as a colony.
One thing I found particularly interesting is that Raynor had already de-infested a human before by a simple injection. Why didn’t they do that to Kerrigan? I mean yeah it’s really nice to wipe out all life on their homeworld but removing Kerrigan’s control of the swarm would have been just as effective.
Maybe they couldnt get close enough….in the last mission she did destroy all my bcs in like 2 seconds…
You talking about SC2? In the last mission she never destroyed more than 1 or 2 units per attack, and those were always to her insta-kill ability. I had 7 siege tanks guarding the left pass and 6 on the right with 3 bunkers on both entrances with the +2 marine and guntower upgrades. To cover the rest I had 3 banshees and 2 wraiths watching my base and about 8 battlecruisers for taking on Kerrigan. The yamato cannon from 8-10 battlecruisers makes short work of her.
MasterP said:
You talking about SC2? In the last mission she never destroyed more than 1 or 2 units per attack, and those were always to her insta-kill ability. I had 7 siege tanks guarding the left pass and 6 on the right with 3 bunkers on both entrances with the +2 marine and guntower upgrades. To cover the rest I had 3 banshees and 2 wraiths watching my base and about 8 battlecruisers for taking on Kerrigan. The yamato cannon from 8-10 battlecruisers makes short work of her.
I sir never though of using said yamato cannons. I always forget they are there but I took out the air platform in the second to last mission and i guess im the only one who had to restart the last mission on normal for failing that bad on it. Everyone else seems to have gotten through it ok but me
Yea the last mission was pretty cake for me, I had a sizable fleet of Battlecruisers with plenty of Banshee backups and siege tanks on any juts that could fire upon her. I had a couple of bunkers but mainly had perdition turrets incinerate anything that came close to the front. Kerrigan would come and destroy 1-2 siege tanks but wouldn’t do much more than that.
I pwned her with a bunch of Thors.
Thors and Battlecruisers make terran the best race imo
their accent and expressions make me lol inside every time
Yamato cannons give Terrans an advantage that few take advantage of. A pair of battlecruisers can take out ANY turret in 1 volley. As few people focus heavily on air defense a group of 6-8 battlecruisers can wreak havoc on a base. Maybe not destroy it but while they’re busy micromanaging a defense, you’re busy building a replacement force and preparing for the next attack, or expanding if that is your desire. It’s an expensive distraction but I’ve used that tactic in almost every RTS I’ve ever played and it works every time…
…unless you learned agressive turtle and bait-switch tactics from me in which case I move on to Plan B.
If you want to really brush up on your RTS skills, go play supreme commander. The AI is adaptive and can really give you a run for your money on the upper settings.
yeah only issue i have with battlecruisers is their gas price. a whopping 300 per ship. You could have at least 3 bases going all vespene capped X3 svc’s and still run out of vespene cooking cruisers. Definitely worth every penny though.
i wouldn’t leave my cruisers to die, not 6 or 7 of them if i know i can have them fall back.
Kinda off topic but is there a way to turn off real id? I mean to me the old b net was prefect. I actually miss the random chat rooms and what not and im not thrilled that people can see me if im playing wow or wc3 or whatever.
If you have enough time to tech up to cruisers in SC2 then the person you’re playing against is terrible. Within the first 5 minutes I’d put some pressure on you with a nice rush
That’s why I got the automated refinery perk.
Citan001 said:
Kinda off topic but is there a way to turn off real id? I mean to me the old b net was prefect. I actually miss the random chat rooms and what not and im not thrilled that people can see me if im playing wow or wc3 or whatever.
Nope. You’re locked into the lack of features that is Bnet2.
Rule of thumb for me, if I’m still alive 30 minutes in I’m going to win. 99% chance.
In Supreme Commander my allies would typically cover my defense b/c at the 20 minute mark I can kill 1 player every 5 minutes for the remainer of the game. If they donate resources to me it’s around 10-12 minutes.
I can hardcore rush when I’m in the mood but I really don’t like doing it.
Fascist Flakes (Jagr) said:
If you have enough time to tech up to cruisers in SC2 then the person you’re playing against is terrible. Within the first 5 minutes I’d put some pressure on you with a nice rush
was doing 2v2 earlier and i was able to pump out a carrier in 6:22 i had 4 by 9 min and a mothership by 11.
Citan001 said:
Kinda off topic but is there a way to turn off real id? I mean to me the old b net was prefect. I actually miss the random chat rooms and what not and im not thrilled that people can see me if im playing wow or wc3 or whatever.
When I first installed, I was hoping that we’d get to be able to create multiple accounts like on WoW — whoever has us added on real ID would be able to message you no matter what account you were on, and then you could also just have a person add a particular account and they’d only see you on that one. I was annoyed to find that you can only create one. @_@ And if I’m wrong, I haven’t seen an option to create another one yet — but I suppose this would be moot anyway what with the “you have to use real ID” thing.
What’s worse is that a friend on facebook has been harassing me to add him and to use the fb feature — but I don’t want to. He’s… an okay guy… but I really don’t like how Blizzard made it so *edited*ing easy for people to add me. The thing I liked about the old bnet was the anonymity. People could add you to their friends list, but they can’t see what [private] channel you’re in unless you were mutual friends. If they kept bothering you, you could ignore them. You could create another account if you wanted to play without them.
No one on my BL on bnet was someone I knew irl (originally. That’s changed). I don’t like playing with people I know irl. They’re nubs. In like 9th grade, when I asked some guys from my HS to play, they played fastest map ever and said NR and tried to turtle. I rushed dts and killed almost everyone; the guy who got cannons first was saved and went CARRIERS. Anyway, fortunately, I made a separate account to play with them so I never had to see them (on bnet) again. I haven’t gotten on bnet or read about it yet, so I don’t know the specifics on certain things, but I speculate that people — chiefly those I don’t particularly like — now have an easier way of finding me. FB integration and real ID? wtf.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is what it looks like to me. I won’t be on any time soon either, so I can’t check it out. I actually wasn’t considering getting it yet cuz I don’t have a machine (or access to one now) that can run it well, but my boyfriend bought copies for us the morning it was released.
tl;dr: Blizzard *edited*ed me off.
I can’t be beat the last level…. It’s funny because I have had no issues playing on hard up until this level, even on normal the closest I have gotten is to 86 percent… I don’t understand, I think I may just have the wrong upgrades for stuff heh… All I know is 8 Nydus Worms, plus no way to defend against them *edited*ing sucks… I feel like I am not doing things fast enough, or perhaps I don’t have enough barracks to pump out Firebats… I haven’t tried it yet, but I think next go round I am going to go basically all Firebats with a few medics, then enforce that line with marines and medics, and finally with some marauders. And in front of them some flame turrets.
inb4 siege tanks rock you noob. I didn’t take the upgrade that makes them do 75% less damage to friendlies, so yeah my own siege tanks have rocked my face the past couple times I tried them. Instead like a *edited*ing idiot I upgraded my reapers, which I have not used AT ALL since the one mission where they were moderately important….. Still noob, but oh well
I kinda wish that I could make it so the siege tanks will only fire at distant targets, if I had that they would shoot at the *edited*ers in the back instead of at the little zerglings and in the process killing all of my men.
i got no issue with the new bnet except for the fact that you can pause the *edited*ing game during a match. *edited* yesterday paused it for like 10 minutes, saying he had “important CIA business to take care of”. That and during 4v4 it lags like crazy. (then again that was like the 2nd day after release, so it might be better)
Bitey said:
I can’t be beat the last level…. It’s funny because I have had no issues playing on hard up until this level, even on normal the closest I have gotten is to 86 percent… I don’t understand, I think I may just have the wrong upgrades for stuff heh… All I know is 8 Nydus Worms, plus no way to defend against them *edited*ing sucks… I feel like I am not doing things fast enough, or perhaps I don’t have enough barracks to pump out Firebats… I haven’t tried it yet, but I think next go round I am going to go basically all Firebats with a few medics, then enforce that line with marines and medics, and finally with some marauders. And in front of them some flame turrets.
inb4 siege tanks rock you noob. I didn’t take the upgrade that makes them do 75% less damage to friendlies, so yeah my own siege tanks have rocked my face the past couple times I tried them. Instead like a *edited*ing idiot I upgraded my reapers, which I have not used AT ALL since the one mission where they were moderately important….. Still noob, but oh well
I kinda wish that I could make it so the siege tanks will only fire at distant targets, if I had that they would shoot at the *edited*ers in the back instead of at the little zerglings and in the process killing all of my men.
Where do you place your siege tanks? Yes they are sexy on the hills overlooking the two choke points into your base, but they TK ALOT less if you place them in (as close as possible) to your infantry. They attack long range, and as soon as some baddies get near, you have the infantry to clean up. The tanks can’t shoot close range during siege mode so your army should be safe from friendly fire. I would add bunkers or air support up on the hill and leave sieges down below.
Bitey said:
inb4 siege tanks rock you noob. I didn’t take the upgrade that makes them do 75% less damage to friendlies, so yeah my own siege tanks have rocked my face the past couple times I tried them. Instead like a *edited*ing idiot I upgraded my reapers, which I have not used AT ALL since the one mission where they were moderately important….. Still noob, but oh well
I didn’t get that upgrade either. I re-ran the last mission yesterday and ended up with the following defense strategy:
Left pass: 10 siege tanks and 3 bunkers with 6 marines each, 1 SCV for repairs
Right pass: 8 siege tanks and 3 bunkers with 6 marines each, 1 SCV for repairs
Relic hill: just the 2 initial bunkers with the 6 marauders you start with
Base: 3 banshees and 3 wraith set to guard just east of the mercenary building.
Mobile defense: 9 battlecruisers
Construction config: 1 barracks, 2 factories, 3 starports, all of which had the tech reactor, 2 armory and 1 eng bay for upgrades (focus on weapons only)
I got that defense up and running by about 5-7% charge on the relic and it was extremely rare for the zerg to even get to a bunker. Once you have enough of them, the friendly fire from the siege tanks shouldn’t be an issue. I lost 13 units to Kerrigan, almost all of them were tanks.
I’ll run it again this afternoon and post some screenshots of where I put the tanks. Placement is key.
Also key are the battleships. When Kerrigan comes she’ll tear a hole in even the strongest defense line and you’ll need to use the battleships to plug the hole until replacement bunkers/tanks are built and deployed. It also helps to have the auto-repair perk for mechanican units, with it you can get away with alot riskier battleship tactics than you could otherwise. For instance, I got bored at around 50% and attacked the zerg’s southwest base. Destroyed about half of it before Kerrigan came and I had to pull them back.
Or I’ll just load from the autosave…
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OK last question who did you side with on the previous mission, Tychus or the General? I sided with the General so I have pretty much zero attacks from the air other than on one occasion where some overlords come in and poop on my bases infesting some little things that come out and start attacking my base. Ground defense is a whole new ball game, as every minute or two some Nydus Worms pop up and start releasing HUGE hordes of Zergling and those worms stay until I go and destroy them. So I am forced to use the banshees that I have, to go in and take out the worms, this works out pretty well for the most part, but eventually I can’t even get to them due to the zerg air defenses. The most that have popped up at one time was 9, and from what I understand about Nydus Worms, the longer they stay up the more Zerglings the release and after a while they start releasing the stronger enemies like hydralisks and roaches. Any ideas on the defenses for that, I figure a combination of firebats, marines, medics, and bunkers as well as siege tanks placed in better locations should be enough to stave off the attacks on the ground which should give my banshees enough time to take out the Nydus Worms. Next time I get a chance I will screenshot what a real Zerg horde looks like when you are under prepared lol.
Oh and based on your stats I should definitely be able to pull off what you are talking about, I think I am just under estimating them since most other things have been considerably easy. I just need to better prepare for the onslaught, and definitely get setup with the bunkers early on in the game, this will help me to keep things back so I will have the time to rebuild if things get hairy.
As for the lag yeah everyone i seem to talk to hits mad lag issues and iv had my graphics card overheat because its trying to get crazy frames when you on something stupid like menues in the middle of a game. As for the pausing thats always been there from release of sc. Others could unpause it and i dunno if that made it into this game or not but yeah its always been there. Kinda a messed up thing to do in the middle of something intense but i guess people need the extra time to think of a way to try and save there base. Is it me or is zerg way way underpowered?
Citan001 said:
Fascist Flakes (Jagr) said:
If you have enough time to tech up to cruisers in SC2 then the person you’re playing against is terrible. Within the first 5 minutes I’d put some pressure on you with a nice rush
was doing 2v2 earlier and i was able to pump out a carrier in 6:22 i had 4 by 9 min and a mothership by 11.
2v2 is a bit different, if you’re being attacked by two rushers then both people who are defending have to actually micro defense plus their economy, if they can’t manage both then they’re screwed. If you get attacked and your partner can’t micro a defense force to help you you’re SoL. If you use a strategy where one rushes and the other techs you could be screwed as well if you can’t micro a defense with your economy. Anyone can pump out units and tech extremely fast if you don’t have any pressure to worry about. I’d proxy a gateway and pylon near your base and have a cb’d couple of zealots on you before you could think about teching.
@Bitey: I sided with the General so had no air attacks aside from the massive wave of overseer’s Mitch’s strategy seems fine in an overly-defensive and highly-protective way. I didn’t have nearly as many bunkers and didn’t have SVU’s sitting and waiting to repair, to me that’s wasted SVU’s you could be using to stimulate your economy. An idle worker is the worst thing you could ever have. I generally had enough siege tanks to put on the pieces of land that stick out and give the siege a very good vantage point, other than that I had a couple of bunkers with some marines in them (I didn’t get the extra marines upgrade) but other than that mainly had perdition turrets guarding the entrance ways and even further out a bit. I also had some perdition turrets and some vikings sitting in my base waiting for Nydus worms to come out, the vikings were used to kill off any overseer’s that flew around and dropped creep, the perdition turrets and some extra banshees nuked down the Nydus and anything that came out. I fortified my entrances with hellion’s and a few firebats, with some space marines and maybe even marauders since I took the upgrade to make units slow when the marauders hit them. I had 4-5, maybe even 6 or more, cruisers sitting up with the relic and would immediately use the yamato on Kerrigan when she appeared, maybe one or two on ultralisks, etc. When the nydus worms would pop up in the zerg bases I would scramble about 8-10 banshees out to nuke down any nydus worm entrance, since the zerg had little to no air defense near a nydus worm. Following that strat and continuously replacing structures that Kerrigan killed I easily did it. I used the relic’s power every time it was up as well, whether Kerrigan was around or not.
Bitey said:
OK last question who did you side with on the previous mission, Tychus or the General?
I took out their air.
You can hit the nydus worms if you want but with my setup I didn’t have to. There’s like 2 points in the mission where you have to use the energy nova but other than that they don’t get close. When they send the overseers, I spread my battlecruisers out. The bunkers and siegetanks cover about 75% of the zerg dropsites and with the battlecruisers, banshees, and wraith spread around you can easily kill the rest. Or simply do what I did and use the energy nova to negate the entire thing…
The workers are there to SAVE resources. Those 2 SCVs easily saved 6-12 tanks, not to mention repairing battlecruisers. It doesn’t matter how many SCVs you have collecting minerals if vespene gas is the limiting factor in production. I’d rather have a little less of a resource I don’t need than have to spend even more of the resource I don’t have much of to rebuild units that could have been otherwise saved.
If you dont have enough resources, especially in that mission, you dont have enough workers. Repairing is fine and something that should be done, just not but an idle SVU sitting there waiting to repair. Peeling a unit off is much better instead.
I’m only lacking vespene gas and with automated factories you can yell “must go faster, must go faster, gogogogogo” but it doesn’t really help. In 99% of RTS situations I’d agree with you but when you’re constantly getting hit on a defense line, and your sole goal is to hold that line, I’ll take a proportionally tiny hit on resources to keep from having to micromanage repairs.
I didn’t take automated factories so that’s probably why, I always had two SCV’s coming out asap and doing whatever I could to get enough resources.
It’s done, basically placing the siege tanks in the right place, in combination with 4 bunkers on the left and 3 on the right, with 4 flame turrets in front of the left and 4 on the right, I was able to hold the line pretty easily, I actually only used the energy nova one time, and I used banshees to take out the nydus worms when they popped up. I don’t think the artifact even got hit, I reached about 90% and Kerrigan came out for the third time I think, she walked about 10 steps out and then turned around and walked back out lol. Dunno what that was all about but I have finally beat it after basically not underestimating them, thanks for all the advice guys.
In my personal opinion Zerg are not underpowered you just have to play them in a completely different way from Protoss and Terran, you almost have to be omnipotent… Tons of hatcheries with at least one queen per two hatcheries should allow you to put up a really effective offensive rush every couple of minutes, if you do this relatively early game then you will be able to keep them weak long enough to deliver the finishing blow. If you have a partner just keep sending small waves at the enemy to weaken and your partner can turtle up and tech up. Last time I played the Zerg multiplayer I made the mistake of not realizing how they worked, so I had one hatchery with 10 supply, and then I try to create more workers, and it tells me I need more supply, I’m like where the *edited* are my supply depots??? Then I realized it was the blobby fat things, I can’t remember their name, but I think it is Overlord or something, not sure. Anyways you just have to keep in mind that with Zerg it is bad to not have larvae to hatch from, that is how the Zerg work. And working the Zerg is hard work indeed, there is a lot more micromanaging going on with Zerg than the Terran or Protoss.
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