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MasterP said:
Oh and Nickname, 2/3 > 1/3.Lol you quote a 3 1/2 year old article.
When you look at current data, it is much closer: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate…;entry_id=36162
Besides, my original point was aimed at your absurd claim about legalizing rape and murder.
you can get cancer from 2nd hand smoke……srsly…..besides, if someone wanted to smoke pot, its ridiculously easy to score some, atleast it is here. Canada’s laws on smoking have been doing some serious damage, plus the price that they’ve raised them to is discouraging all together.
2 weeks or so ago i was walking down the street and a dealer approached me and my friends trying to sell some.
MasterP said:
Yeah let’s look at all those anti-tobacco commercials, then you go outside and see how well they work. Oh wait, they don’t.I can’t get drunk or cancer from walking behind someone drinking a beer or smoking tobacco. I can, however, get high simply by breathing in second hand marijuana smoke and even light exposure to it shows up in drug screens and takes days to flush.
You decision to ruin your own life can ruin others’ simply by being near them while doing it. Now imagine, if you swapped just half of the people smoking tobacco with pot smokers, there’s no way you wouldn’t get through the day without at least SOME exposure and there goes pretty much all drug screening right there.
Have you even considered the effect this has on other people or do you just care about getting high? Do it in your house, I mean hell it’s not like you’re likely to get caught, just don’t force your life decisions on society. That’s all this is really about.
Oh and Nickname, 2/3 > 1/3.
lol maybe we should outlaw poppy seed muffins, because there are minute traces of opium that can appear if you eat enough. In what part of my argument do I say I want to thrust it into society. I want it legal. But by no means am I asking society to accept it as a norm. Having the right to do it in my home, or in designated bars/coffee shops would be awesome, and more than enough for me. Tobacco is legal, yet isn’t allowed inside most places. Unless, I blow it in your face, or unless you are a weird person and like walking two inches behind someone smoking a joint, you won’t get any trace of it in your system outside. You actually think me smoking outside would cause others to get high….lol suuurreee.
Oh and lets not forget you can intake THC in other ways besides smoking it. So we could easily make some law prohibiting smoking in public places, but there is no way magic brownies could harm you’re precious clean blood, unless you were hypnotized or forced to eat it. Not to worry. Like I said before, sloppy legislation + lies + fictional stigma = marijuana prohibition.
And even if 2/3rd dont support it as your old gallup poll shows, 1/3rd of society would. Does that minority have no say? Kind of hypocritical to use that argument especially since you’re a republican, who always complain about abuse of the majority.
.cb new_rayz said:
Having the right to do it in my home, or in designated bars/coffee shops would be awesome, and more than enough for me. Tobacco is legal, yet isn’t allowed inside most places.Idk how it works in Texas but there are very few places in the rest of the country that prohibit tobacco. The handful that do are far outshadowed by those that don’t. I guess next we’re going to have to create a “pot smoking” section in restaurants.
.cb new_rayz said:
Unless, I blow it in your face, or unless you are a weird person and like walking two inches behind someone smoking a joint, you won’t get any trace of it in your system outside. You actually think me smoking outside would cause others to get high….lol suuurreee.You ever walked 10 feet behind a smoker? Apparently not because if you had you’d be smelling it. If you can smell it, it’s going in your system.
.cb new_rayz said:
Oh and lets not forget you can intake THC in other ways besides smoking it. So we could easily make some law prohibiting smoking in public places, but there is no way magic brownies could harm you’re precious clean blood, unless you were hypnotized or forced to eat it.So since it can be consumed in multiple manners means a ban is wrong? I don’t get the argument here.
.cb new_rayz said:
And even if 2/3rd dont support it as your old gallup poll shows, 1/3rd of society would. Does that minority have no say? Kind of hypocritical to use that argument especially since you’re a republican, who always complain about abuse of the majority.Yes isn’t it odd that the Republican minority gets completely ignored, to the point where now we can’t even propose changes to legislation in one house on Congress. It’s funny how now the “oppressed” minority should have a say when everyday your own party says and acts otherwise. Why don’t you just tack it on to a spending bill, if this move is as popular as you claim said congressmen will get re-elected. It’s not like your majority couldn’t push it through, right?
Yes Nickname, let’s trust the San Francisco press. They’re always on the pulse of what the mainstream of America wants.
If the rest of the world ran like California, not only would we have no power but we’d be one really screwed up country. On the other hand, we’d all be high so who’d really care.If this is solely based on politics there can be no alcohol, tobacco or firearms in America. So turn your *edited* in MasterP cause you aren’t getting any of it back.
However since it isn’t we realize how much marijuana use would benefit our country. If you fail to see that get your head out of your *edited* and clean it off cause you got *edited* in your teeth.
YouWinGameOver said:
If you fail to see that get your head out of your *edited* and clean it off cause you got *edited* in your teeth.Charming. . .
YouWinGameOver said:
If this is solely based on politics there can be no alcohol, tobacco or firearms in America. So turn your *edited* in MasterP cause you aren’t getting any of it back.Are you high now? Where the hell did that logic flow come from? If it wasn’t political suicide the liberals would have had this passed decades ago.
YouWinGameOver said:
However since it isn’t we realize how much marijuana use would benefit our country. If you fail to see that get your head out of your *edited* and clean it off cause you got *edited* in your teeth.What benefits are you referring to? Trying to sell a taxed commodity in direct competition with an untaxed variant or that same commodity doesn’t typically work out well. But hey what do I know? Common sense is never right… Now if you consider a legal way to get stoned a primary benefit you’ll never get your wish with this because your personal enjoyment is not Congress’ primary concern. It usually takes more than that.
Guys, there is no reason to start insulting. lol If I’ve been rude to anyone, I apologize. Especially MasterP, since we share polar opposite views on almost everything in life haha.
MasterP said:
What benefits are you referring to? Trying to sell a taxed commodity in direct competition with an untaxed variant or that same commodity doesn’t typically work out well. But hey what do I know? Common sense is never right… Now if you consider a legal way to get stoned a primary benefit you’ll never get your wish with this because your personal enjoyment is not Congress’ primary concern. It usually takes more than that.hmmmm. Ever heard of bootleggers? The people who sold alcohol illegally during prohibition. It was untaxed then. Then we made alcohol legal again, with taxes to boot! All the evil bootleggers became saints, Like Sir Budweiser and St. Arnold. What makes you think marijuana “bootleggers” won’t convert? It’s happened before.
But MasterP, I ask you this, why was it banned in the first place. Or rather, why do YOU think it was banned in the first place. Because compared to our nation’s history, and the history of the world, marijuana has only been banned for a small period of time. It’s been part of society and culture for thousands of years. Thousands of years and has never killed anyone (Directly, as a result of intoxication). You can’t say that about ANY drug, legal or illegal. So we can rule out dangerous, because usually what makes drugs dangerous is how fast they can kill you.
If you actually go back and recount the history, it shows that congress never had any concern for anything, but based their ban on a lie made up by Harry Anslinger. Just 30 years later, congress was ready to decriminalize. There was a committee, led by Raymond Shafer who said it should be so. Then in the 1980’s Reagan claimed marijuana more dangerous than cocaine. And for 20 years, we had a war on drugs that destroyed families, cramped prison systems, increased taxes, and has done everything but stop drugs from flowing in and out of our country. Here is an idea, make marijuana legal, then we can use all that money and resources to bust real evil people for serious *edited*, like crack or methlabs or human trafficking. Sure we do all those things now, but with marijuana off the check list, it makes finding the other real bad guys much easier. It’s only been 80 years, blacks were persecuted for longer, women weren’t allowed to vote for longer, yet we came to our senses. You actually think 80 years of ignorance will hold up?
And my party won’t just tack it on. History has also shown that democrats in Washington were more strict on marijuana than republicans. Probably because they didn’t want the “image” of a marijuana supporter; *edited* social stigma. Clinton put more people in jail for marijuana than any other president. It’s a sad statistic, one I’m ashamed to know.
I’m done arguing with this.
If you can’t see why breaking the law means you get punished I’ll never convince you out of your little rant and flame over wanting to smoke pot all day without risking punishment.
Somehow you’ve twisted this around to comparing legalization of pot smoking to women’s suffrage and minority civil rights. I guess you REALLY feel oppressed that you can’t smoke pot in front of cops.
/thread IMO
MasterP said:
I’m done arguing with this.If you can’t see why breaking the law means you get punished I’ll never convince you out of your little rant and flame over wanting to smoke pot all day without risking punishment.
Somehow you’ve twisted this around to comparing legalization of pot smoking to women’s suffrage and minority civil rights. I guess you REALLY feel oppressed that you can’t smoke pot in front of cops.
/thread IMO
I agree, it was one line, I missed in editing that I wish I didn’t put it in there. Bad comparison. But that had nothing to do with my argument, which you completely ignored.
Typical republican, ignore everything, demand people to act one way excluding yourselves, and just pretend you are right. Don’t ask me to post sources to back up my arguments, when your just going to ignore them in the end
Legalizing it would in no way be thrusting ones views on another in anyway as you said Masterp. In fact it’s the other way around, as the law stands now. If it was legalized it would exactly be mandatory a la taxes.
And republicans are in the minority, they have no right natural or legal to pass legislation as they please. They shoulda rocked *edited* in the last election if it was their right.
Also why ask him to cite sources if you dont plan on reading any of those? oh you were being rhetorical right. Well that goes both ways so democrats can talk all the *edited* they want to about bipartisanship, they dont have to do *edited* towards it.
Do your conservative principals hold that the law can never change and that the rule of law is absolute?
Spoiler:If you say yes then your country is a con job.
I wasn’t stoned when I posted that I don’t smoke anymore and haven’t for years now if you read my other post you would know that.
Here is a story for you guys.
In California it is legal to have on you and smoke a certain amount of marijuana, I don’t know the exact amount but it might be enough to fill up a very small bowl. Anyways, my story comes from a businesswoman that had just returned from Afghanistan. She went to California for a little R&R and was on the beach smoking a cigarette. She looks around at people and notices a guy putting some marijuana in a bowl and lighting it up. The guy smokes it for a while and a cop comes walking up, the cop says to the guy, “Hey, you got anymore of that?”, the guys says, “No officer this is all I had sorry man.”, the officer says thats OK and tells him to enjoy the rest of his day. The cop then walks over to the woman and writes her a $150 dollar fine for “smoking a cigarette on the beach”. I don’t get it, can anyone enlighten me? From what I can tell, it is illegal to smoke cigarettes on the beach but you can smoke marijuana if you want to?
On a side note, the only reason I know for not legalizing marijuana is the fact that there is no way that the government can tax it. Because of the fact that there are so many ways that it makes its way into the US. I don’t think the issue is whether it is “right or wrong”, I think it is the fact that the government can’t get “their share” of the money moving through. No one can really say that being a “pot head” is right or wrong, that is a life choice, the only time I would say it is wrong is when being a “pot head” gets in the way of your job, family, health, friends, and responsibilities. When smoking stops you and/or keeps you from what you need to do for any of those things, then it is time to stop smoking, in my opinion.
Bitey said:
Here is a story for you guys.In California it is legal to have on you and smoke a certain amount of marijuana, I don’t know the exact amount but it might be enough to fill up a very small bowl. Anyways, my story comes from a businesswoman that had just returned from Afghanistan. She went to California for a little R&R and was on the beach smoking a cigarette. She looks around at people and notices a guy putting some marijuana in a bowl and lighting it up. The guy smokes it for a while and a cop comes walking up, the cop says to the guy, “Hey, you got anymore of that?”, the guys says, “No officer this is all I had sorry man.”, the officer says thats OK and tells him to enjoy the rest of his day. The cop then walks over to the woman and writes her a $150 dollar fine for “smoking a cigarette on the beach”. I don’t get it, can anyone enlighten me? From what I can tell, it is illegal to smoke cigarettes on the beach but you can smoke marijuana if you want to?
On a side note, the only reason I know for not legalizing marijuana is the fact that there is no way that the government can tax it. Because of the fact that there are so many ways that it makes its way into the US. I don’t think the issue is whether it is “right or wrong”, I think it is the fact that the government can’t get “their share” of the money moving through. No one can really say that being a “pot head” is right or wrong, that is a life choice, the only time I would say it is wrong is when being a “pot head” gets in the way of your job, family, health, friends, and responsibilities. When smoking stops you and/or keeps you from what you need to do for any of those things, then it is time to stop smoking, in my opinion.
Bitey, I lub joo, can we haz babies together?
Bitey said:
Here is a story for you guys.In California it is legal to have on you and smoke a certain amount of marijuana, I don’t know the exact amount but it might be enough to fill up a very small bowl. Anyways, my story comes from a businesswoman that had just returned from Afghanistan. She went to California for a little R&R and was on the beach smoking a cigarette. She looks around at people and notices a guy putting some marijuana in a bowl and lighting it up. The guy smokes it for a while and a cop comes walking up, the cop says to the guy, “Hey, you got anymore of that?”, the guys says, “No officer this is all I had sorry man.”, the officer says thats OK and tells him to enjoy the rest of his day. The cop then walks over to the woman and writes her a $150 dollar fine for “smoking a cigarette on the beach”. I don’t get it, can anyone enlighten me? From what I can tell, it is illegal to smoke cigarettes on the beach but you can smoke marijuana if you want to?
On a side note, the only reason I know for not legalizing marijuana is the fact that there is no way that the government can tax it. Because of the fact that there are so many ways that it makes its way into the US. I don’t think the issue is whether it is “right or wrong”, I think it is the fact that the government can’t get “their share” of the money moving through. No one can really say that being a “pot head” is right or wrong, that is a life choice, the only time I would say it is wrong is when being a “pot head” gets in the way of your job, family, health, friends, and responsibilities. When smoking stops you and/or keeps you from what you need to do for any of those things, then it is time to stop smoking, in my opinion.
Agreed. Except for the part on taxing. The majority of marijuana circulating in the united states is made here at home, by domestic growers. There is something like 300,000 to 400,000 commercial marijuana growers according to a statistic floating around. The majority of them aren’t from California, but are in the “Marijuana belt” which basically encompasses much of the Ohio, Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia area all the way towards th edge of Kansas and Arkansas. Alot of farmers and people who claim to be farmers hide much of their product in corn fields or some where secret on their large patches of land. The economics of marijuana are also pretty fascinated. We already know that it is the number one cash crop in America. Even when it’s not taxed it’s still affecting the economy, and not necessarily in a bad way. If it was legalized, you could tax it in any store that decided to sell it. And it’s not like marijuana users are evil people, that want to skip out on taxes. They encompass a broader range of society than that. I know doctors, businessmen, and teachers who all happen to enjoy a toke every once and a while. And they would gladly pay a tax if it was legal.
.cb new_rayz said:
Agreed. Except for the part on taxing. The majority of marijuana circulating in the united states is made here at home, by domestic growers. There is something like 300,000 to 400,000 commercial marijuana growers according to a statistic floating around. The majority of them aren’t from California, but are in the “Marijuana belt” which basically encompasses much of the Ohio, Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia area all the way towards th edge of Kansas and Arkansas. Alot of farmers and people who claim to be farmers hide much of their product in corn fields or some where secret on their large patches of land. The economics of marijuana are also pretty fascinated. We already know that it is the number one cash crop in America. Even when it’s not taxed it’s still affecting the economy, and not necessarily in a bad way. If it was legalized, you could tax it in any store that decided to sell it. And it’s not like marijuana users are evil people, that want to skip out on taxes. They encompass a broader range of society than that. I know doctors, businessmen, and teachers who all happen to enjoy a toke every once and a while. And they would gladly pay a tax if it was legal.Also agreed, I wasn’t suggesting that “marijuana users are evil people”, quite the opposite. I think my idea stems from the fact that it is already so well hidden, if it were to be legalized would people that have been hiding it, quit hiding? Why would they if they could continue to sell marijuana untaxed, people are not evil, but people certainly are greedy, and though I would like to believe all the people would cooperate I doubt that would be the case, and that we would still have people hiding and dealing illegally (untaxed).
Bitey said:
Also agreed, I wasn’t suggesting that “marijuana users are evil people”, quite the opposite. I think my idea stems from the fact that it is already so well hidden, if it were to be legalized would people that have been hiding it, quit hiding? Why would they if they could continue to sell marijuana untaxed, people are not evil, but people certainly are greedy, and though I would like to believe all the people would cooperate I doubt that would be the case, and that we would still have people hiding and dealing illegally (untaxed).Because in the end the growers and “dealers” are going to lose a lot of customers. From the perspective of the consumer, the idea of being able to legally purchase marijuana is much more appealing and less “scary” than buying it from a shady dealer. The only reason we risk it now is because it’s illegal, but if there was a legal option (which there already is in some states) it will catch on like fire, no pun intended. Eventually, if the producers want to continue “business as usual” they’ll do it the legal way.
Derailing FTW!
Ephraim said:
Derailing FTW!Nonsense this train will never stop!
except to get munchies
lol those PSAs are classic
The idea that it’s impossible to be taxed is not supported by history. Alcohol was illegal and underground throughout prohibition but it came back legitimate. Granted pot has been illicit for far far longer. But given as much resources, time, effort, and lives that have been flushed down the drain in the war on drugs don’t you think a fraction of that effort would be enough to keep pot well regulated?
Brian said:
The idea that it’s impossible to be taxed is not supported by history. Alcohol was illegal and underground throughout prohibition but it came back legitimate. Granted pot has been illicit for far far longer. But given as much resources, time, effort, and lives that have been flushed down the drain in the war on drugs don’t you think a fraction of that effort would be enough to keep pot well regulated?thats what I’ve been saying. I didn’t write it as clearly as you tho <3
Brian said:
The idea that it’s impossible to be taxed is not supported by history. Alcohol was illegal and underground throughout prohibition but it came back legitimate. Granted pot has been illicit for far far longer. But given as much resources, time, effort, and lives that have been flushed down the drain in the war on drugs don’t you think a fraction of that effort would be enough to keep pot well regulated?Umm, I would hope so, but I truly doubt that would be the case in this country, there are too many radical people that would take it to the extreme. I mean, look at the Phelp’s family…
.cb new_rayz said:
Because in the end the growers and “dealers” are going to lose a lot of customers. From the perspective of the consumer, the idea of being able to legally purchase marijuana is much more appealing and less “scary” than buying it from a shady dealer. The only reason we risk it now is because it’s illegal, but if there was a legal option (which there already is in some states) it will catch on like fire, no pun intended. Eventually, if the producers want to continue “business as usual” they’ll do it the legal way.you certainly make an excellent point here, however, do you suppose people who would be too scared to buy underground would even want to have anything to do with weed?
Pink Monkey #13 said:
you certainly make an excellent point here, however, do you suppose people who would be too scared to buy underground would even want to have anything to do with weed?well it depends. When I say “scared,” I’m really implying the paranoia that comes with purchasing marijuana. You get use to it after a while I guess, but it’s the uncomfortable feeling you get when you know your doing something that isn’t legal. Kind of the same feeling you get when you are speeding and you pass by a cop and look back behind you to see if he’s following you. The transaction is probably the greatest risk because the chance of getting busted is highest (just a hunch, no evidence). That paranoia will definitely be lifted once weed can be legally purchased. Some of the people that were truly “too scared” will try to buy it if it’s legalized. People that buy it now will continue too and some people that don’t, won’t. Either way is fine, it’s just a matter of choice.
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