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Bitey said:
Oh I see the issue, consoles opted to do 6 tournaments instead of 5, they realize that this means some of their tournaments will have to be played at the same time as others, so the decision was made to not do Mario Kart Wii since there is a lack of people who own the game, but we know for a fact that many people own GH3, we based this on the amount of people that were in the tournament last time. Also the normal difficulty will be on hard and only if the two players agree will it be upped to expert, the final round will be expert regardless. I think this works just fine and seeing how GH3 was successful in the past confirms to me that this was the right choice, Mario Kart Wii is still unsure, it will be available for Free Play lets see how it does there.So why didn’t the console execs just sling that out there as the excuse. Sounds a WHOLE LOT better and at least attempts a semblance of adherence to the Constitution.
MasterP said:
So why didn’t the console execs just sling that out there as the excuse. Sounds a WHOLE LOT better and at least attempts a semblance of adherence to the Constitution.They are new and don’t have a way with words quite like I do yet? Instead of immediately bashing them I helped them into finding out the root of the issue, its what I expected from everyone else and well, I think we know what happened, if all people do is flame people then what do you expect in return?
Bitey said:
Instead of immediately bashing them I helped them into finding out the root of the issue, its what I expected from everyone else and well, I think we know what happened, if all people do is flame people then what do you expect in return?If they can’t accurately describe why the broke the rules or why votes at the general meeting were ignored did you expect people who felt shortchanged to just sit there and take it? Had me and Nickname had a little meeting and taken a PC game that won public vote out of tournament play and swapped it with something you felt a weaker game would you not be here *edited*ing and whining just as much?
It’s his (Bitey’s) job to ensure the voting is fair/accurate etc. If he’s ripping votes, something needs to be done.
MasterP said:
If they can’t accurately describe why the broke the rules or why votes at the general meeting were ignored did you expect people who felt shortchanged to just sit there and take it? Had me and Nickname had a little meeting and taken a PC game that won public vote out of tournament play and swapped it with something you felt a weaker game would you not be here *edited*ing and whining just as much?No I wouldn’t “*edited* and whine”, I would ask for clarification.
Bitey said:
No I wouldn’t “*edited* and whine”, I would ask for clarification.MasterP said:
No Mario Kart or Wii Bowling? Wtf?What was the point of even having a vote for console games at the general meeting if the results were subject to change later?
I did, look how it went.
Shingi said:
At the meeting we were discussing on how to run the Mario Kart Wii tournament. When no one knew any good settings I asked in general who all actually wanted to play the game as a tourney and the result was none. So we took a vote to replace it with another game that had more interest and that was Guitar Hero III.I don’t see the issue, I see clarification given, what happened after that was the *edited*ing and moaning right?
Bitey said:
I don’t see the issue, I see clarification given, what happened after that was the *edited*ing and moaning right?lol?
I don’t really want to get into a *edited*ing match on a Monday but once the votes are taken they aren’t supposed to be untaken. If that’s the case why bother discussing games at the general meetings at all? Consoles are already negating the input from PC players anyway, what’s the point?
The votes weren’t untaken the Console President made an executive decision with my approval, ffs Mitch go *edited* in your corn flakes your beating this horse to a dead bloody pulp if you like Mario Kart Wii that much set it up at the LAN and prove to me that people want to play it.
Bitey said:
if you like Mario Kart Wii that much set it up at the LAN and prove to me that people want to play it.Ok I’ll approach it from your angle then. Neither Mario Kart Wii nor Soul Calibur 4 were out where we had the last LAN. Why would a game with no recent history with the club get to skip over the trial phase and one with a strong history have to go through it?
Because we are trying to bring PS3 tournaments into the LAN and many people showed an interest in this. Mike Klatt wants it, Mike Klatt gets it, cause he deserves it.
Bitey said:
Because we are trying to bring PS3 tournaments into the LAN and many people showed an interest in this.And you don’t see a problem with tossing a known good game out just because of the console it’s on?
Known good game? Mario Kart Wii is not a known good game….. I have heard nothing good about it.
Soul Caliber 4 IS a KNOWN good game and MANY people play it, thus I do not see a problem.
Bitey said:
Known good game? Mario Kart Wii is not a known good game….. I have heard nothing good about it.Soul Caliber 4 IS a KNOWN good game and MANY people play it, thus I do not see a problem.
/me throws a log on the fire
I would say that Mario Kart Wii is a known good game.
I’m going to post this then be done, again.
Note the similar metascores:
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/…=Soul%20Calibur
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/…?q=mario%20kart
Note the difference in sales as of August 2008:
Mario Kart Wii: 2,733,000
Soul Calibur 4: 548,700 (total from both consoles)
NPD Top 10 Sales in August 2008: (note that MK sold more and PS3 version of SC4 didn’t even make the list)
NPD Market Research said:
August NPD Software Sales1. Madden NFL 09 – Xbox 360 – 1.0M
2. Madden NFL 09 – PS3 – 643K
3. Madden NFL 09 – PS2 – 424.5K
4. Wii Fit – Wii – 394.9K
5. Mario Kart Wii – Wii – 328.7K
6. Wii Play – Wii – 200.2K
7. SoulCalibur IV – Xbox 360 – 174K
8. Too Human – Xbox 360 – 168.2K
9. Madden NFL 09 All-Play – Wii – 115.8K
10. Guitar Hero: On Tour – DS – 111.2K
Also note the PS3 version lost to Mario Kart in July as well…
NPD Market Research said:
July NPD Software SalesNCAA Football 09 – Xbox 360 – 397,600
Wii Fit – Wii – 369,600
Guitar Hero: On Tour – DS – 309,700
Wii Play w/ remote – Wii- 284,000
NCAA Football 09 – PS3- 242,500
Soulcalibur IV – Xbox 360 – 218,900
Mario Kart w/ wheel – Wii – 174,500
Rock Band Special Ed. Bundle – Wii -165,800
Soulcalibur IV – PS3 – 155,800
Sid Meier’s Civilization Revolution – Xbox 360 – 147,600
Again you toss out stupid numbers without considering the demographic the game sells to. I posted this in the other thread if you’d bothered to read my post you wouldn’t have tossed out rediculously useless numbers and sales stats.
I’m not saying there may not be interest in the game, but please ffs don’t toss out statistics without doing a full analysis.
i havent been on the forums alot until recently and all i have seen is negative posts from master p. Why do you like to cause so much drama within this club and your making something that happened on Friday that was not even a big deal something Huge! its not about which game is better or which game sold more its just happening at the LAN end of story so stop *edited*ing man please.
Whatever. I think this thread should be closed. It’s going no where. This issue will never be “settled”.
Only if it’s going to end up just a flaming thread? Whatever. I’ve talked plenty with Bitey and Mouchet. I’m not going to sit here and argue senselessly. I know where they stand, and likewise they know where I stand. I’m putting my trust in their leadership capabilities and will support whatever action they take. /thread.
Obviously the president of the club has approved any action taken so this issue is over. If further concerns on this topic need to be expressed do it at the next meeting. The console events at the up coming LAN will either succeed or fail and that will be the best data you can ask for.
Mitch, are you suggesting that we should have a Wii Fit Tourney? and instead of GH3, we should have Guitar Hero: On Tour for the DS as a tourny? If we based our tournaments on sales figures, thats what we’d apparently be doing.
Freezer_mcs said:
Obviously the president of the club has approved any action taken so this issue is over. If further concerns on this topic need to be expressed do it at the next meeting. The console events at the up coming LAN will either succeed or fail and that will be the best data you can ask for.What’s the point of bringing it up at meeting if the votes at the meeting mean nothing?
Kuros said:
What’s the point of bringing it up at meeting if the votes at the meeting mean nothing?Don’t bother, I’ve said that already. They don’t care.
exile: I cause drama because I’ve been in the club long enough to what the REAL RULES are. When people start breaking them and the execs approve of it that means the club is compromising it’s own core values for the pure sake of getting more people in that room. If that’s all we care about now we’ve come a LONG way from what the club was founded on.
Dark omen: feel free to back up your demographic claims with some numbers of your own. To my knowledge there aren’t any.
Chaoswolf: That’s not what I said, and you know it. Go re-read my post.
MasterP said:
Don’t bother, I’ve said that already. They don’t care.exile: I cause drama because I’ve been in the club long enough to what the REAL RULES are. When people start breaking them and the execs approve of it that means the club is compromising it’s own core values for the pure sake of getting more people in that room. If that’s all we care about now we’ve come a LONG way from what the club was founded on.
Dark omen: feel free to back up your demographic claims with some numbers of your own. To my knowledge there aren’t any.
Chaoswolf: That’s not what I said, and you know it. Go re-read my post.
pwned
I don’t need numbers to be entirely honest I worked in electronics and KNOW who buys what from personal EXPERIENCE which includes working 8 months in Electronics at Wal-Mart (Our Department had the #1 Electronics Sales out of 6 Wal-Marts in the City of Omaha, including Video Game, and Console Sales) 4 Months at GameStop. I honestly don’t need numbers I have first hand experience.
Idea. We all stop *edited*ing and put it to the way it was before? Then go back and play our own little video games? kk??
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