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marijuana decriminalized in cali from misdemeanor to infraction. (1oz) To celebrate here is a tribute to the governator. Possibly the best worst governor ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxn0Xfqkgw
i hope he lives a long steroid free stoned rest of his life.
what federal agent would go after someone who has less than an ounce on them? State > local, so unless you’re talking pounds and pounds, it’s a little more than just symbolic. Anyone with a joint (which by the way is the majority of arrests) will probably not get anything but a slap on the wrist.
NuRayZ said:
what federal agent would go after someone who has less than an ounce on them? State > local, so unless you’re talking pounds and pounds, it’s a little more than just symbolic. Anyone with a joint (which by the way is the majority of arrests) will probably not get anything but a slap on the wrist.
I’m pretty sure if it’s a federal law any officer can arrest for it. They most likely won’t because it’ll become an expensive legal nightmare but as far as the law goes they’d probably be justified.
Duendes said:
Plus, the prisons in cali are the most crowded.
Everytime marijuana legalization comes up this is stated and it makes no sense. At all. If I go rob a bank in California you think they’ll let me go because the prisons are too crowded? Of course not. They’ll tell Bubba and Big Al to make their new cellmate feel at home.
Just because the prisons are crowded doesn’t mean the people who commit crimes aren’t criminals. It means you need to stop spending millions of dollars on special interest pork projects and build more prisons.
MasterP said:
They most likely won’t because it’ll become an expensive legal nightmare
That’s what I meant.
MasterP said:
Everytime marijuana legalization comes up this is stated and it makes no sense. At all. If I go rob a bank in California you think they’ll let me go because the prisons are too crowded? Of course not. They’ll tell Bubba and Big Al to make their new cellmate feel at home.
Just because the prisons are crowded doesn’t mean the people who commit crimes aren’t criminals. It means you need to stop spending millions of dollars on special interest pork projects and build more prisons.
I think the logic is, millions of people don’t rob banks; yet millions of people do smoke pot or have occasionally. In the end we are just wasting money, creating B class citizens, and taking up resources (cops, prisons, etc) that could be used for more serious criminals like the rapists, bank robbers, thiefs, murderers, etc.
I could understand if it made money for the government. Come to think of it, at the real local rural level, cops make bank off of kids smoking. Once you get to millions of people though, big cities like New York, states like California, combatting marijuana just gets to be a useless tax wasting amount of garbage.
You’re the free market man right? Why not legalize it, privatize it, slap a tax and regulate it like tobacco and alcohol, and make some money?
MasterP said:
Duendes said:
Plus, the prisons in cali are the most crowded.
Everytime marijuana legalization comes up this is stated and it makes no sense. At all. If I go rob a bank in California you think they’ll let me go because the prisons are too crowded? Of course not. They’ll tell Bubba and Big Al to make their new cellmate feel at home.
Just because the prisons are crowded doesn’t mean the people who commit crimes aren’t criminals. It means you need to stop spending millions of dollars on special interest pork projects and build more prisons.
I dunno if you realized, but california doesn’t exactly have the funds to build more prisons. Just because you commit a crime, it doesn’t make you a criminal. Ask any person who’s studied criminal justice this. Robbing a bank is different for obvious reasons. One may try and rob a bank with threats of violence and another may just try & sneak in after hours. You can’t just say it doesn’t make sense at all. You’re grossly over simplifying it. I’m going to try and not pull a rant now.
NuRayZ said:
You’re the free market man right? Why not legalize it, privatize it, slap a tax and regulate it like tobacco and alcohol, and make some money?
So let me get this straight. You honestly think people will buy it from the official store and not only pay the higher price but also pay taxes on it? The government can’t win a price war with drug cartels. It’s like buying computer parts, you can do it at a local shop and pay higher prices and taxes or you can get them online. Sure there’s some who pay more but most don’t. Just like shipping costs are often cheaper than the taxes, driving to the rough side of town will be cheaper than paying the taxes.
Also, alcohol is NOT a privatized substance. If it was, anyone could make and sell it. The ATF has placed extremely limitations on how much beer and wine you can make and you’ll land serious time, often 20+ years, for making your own hard liquor. Even with beer and wine, you aren’t allowed to sell what you make. To legally sell your own brews you have to fill out a TON of forms and likely hire a dedicated business CPA to keep up with all the taxes, something that is typically very expensive.
Duendes said:
I dunno if you realized, but california doesn’t exactly have the funds to build more prisons. Just because you commit a crime, it doesn’t make you a criminal. Ask any person who’s studied criminal justice this. Robbing a bank is different for obvious reasons. One may try and rob a bank with threats of violence and another may just try & sneak in after hours. You can’t just say it doesn’t make sense at all. You’re grossly over simplifying it. I’m going to try and not pull a rant now.
California most certainly does have the funds to build prisons, they just choose to spend it on pork barrel and special interest projects instead. Rather than cut spending on things the state doesn’t need, government officials often just claim that they don’t have enough money to avoid making decisions or to justify tax increases. This is why many small businesses pay 50% or more in income taxes right now.
How are some crimes not crimes? Just because it’s not a “violent crime” doesn’t mean it’s not a “crime”. It doesn’t hurt anyone, sure, and neither does alcohol, right up to the point where it does.
Derailing for great justice.
MasterP said:
NuRayZ said:
You’re the free market man right? Why not legalize it, privatize it, slap a tax and regulate it like tobacco and alcohol, and make some money?
So let me get this straight. You honestly think people will buy it from the official store and not only pay the higher price but also pay taxes on it?
You got to remember paranoia is a significant symptom of chronic abuse (no pun intended). Regulars are going to stick to buying the stuff without the risk.
MasterP said:
Duendes said:
I dunno if you realized, but california doesn’t exactly have the funds to build more prisons. Just because you commit a crime, it doesn’t make you a criminal. Ask any person who’s studied criminal justice this. Robbing a bank is different for obvious reasons. One may try and rob a bank with threats of violence and another may just try & sneak in after hours. You can’t just say it doesn’t make sense at all. You’re grossly over simplifying it. I’m going to try and not pull a rant now.
California most certainly does have the funds to build prisons, they just choose to spend it on pork barrel and special interest projects instead. Rather than cut spending on things the state doesn’t need, government officials often just claim that they don’t have enough money to avoid making decisions or to justify tax increases. This is why many small businesses pay 50% or more in income taxes right now.
How are some crimes not crimes? Just because it’s not a “violent crime” doesn’t mean it’s not a “crime”. It doesn’t hurt anyone, sure, and neither does alcohol, right up to the point where it does.
You’re going to have to pull up some numbers to prove to me that cali DEFINITELY has the funds to build more prisons. You have to remember not only do they need the location, materials & manpower to build it, but they also need to get more guards, health professionals, lawyers, contracts for equipment & supplies, etc.
I didn’t say some crimes aren’t crimes, the definition of a “criminal” is different from what you’re saying. The way you were using it before sounded like, if somebody went 1 mile over the speed limit, then they’re a criminal. You also have to understand, when I was using the bank robbery example that one person would decide to take it to the next level and the other wouldn’t. The person who went farther is somebody who’s even farther away from society’s guidelines.
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So let me get this straight. You honestly think people will buy it from the official store and not only pay the higher price but also pay taxes on it? The government can’t win a price war with drug cartels. It’s like buying computer parts, you can do it at a local shop and pay higher prices and taxes or you can get them online. Sure there’s some who pay more but most don’t. Just like shipping costs are often cheaper than the taxes, driving to the rough side of town will be cheaper than paying the taxes.
seeing how they already have stores which work, i see why not. Since when does someone buy tobacco or alcohol now a days from a bootlegger? If it worked to back in the early 20th century, why don’t you think it would work in a similar fashion now? The drug cartels will lose clients. At any rate, kudos to Arnold.
and your analogy is great and all, but both scenarios, whether a guy buys a computer from a retailer, or online, is still LEGAL. If it were illegal to buy online, people wouldn’t be doing it as much; UNLESS that was their only option e.i kind of like pot. If there were a legal option, a huge majority of people would seek that option rather than the illegal one. I know i would.
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