Socialism?

So you think we should just nuke the whole place? It has been proven time and time again that an invading army will always fail unless they are willing to do scorched earth tactics. We had no reason to go in there in the first place and it was a much better place untill we went in there. Now you hear reports every day of people blowing everything up. I see that sadam had to rule with an iron fist because if not he would lost control like we have done. At any rate that is off topic. Certain things need to be taken over by the government like banking. We are after all using paper money that is backed by the government it only makes sence for them to control it.

I mean come on there is a huge problem when citibank’s stock is worth less then the fee they charge to use an atm. The banking crisis is actually the governments fault because they got lazy on the fannie may and freddie mac standards. They knew banks were doing wrong but they still took the packaged mortgages. The sad truth is that come companies cant go under. It would hurt the us to much so the only real answer is to throw money at it in hopes of making it go away. I still support the idea of breaking up big businesses into smaller ones so that we never run into this problem again.

Dankst@ said:

war is bad umkay…..

 

 

u.s shouldnt be pulling people out of iraq cause they been there for while now and been taking out families and random people who didnt deserve to be apart of the fight. they seem to be looking for 1 person and taking out hand fulls of people. they just pull out now and expect them to sit back and do nothing, like nothing ever happened. its never ganna happen if your town and your families got bombed you wouldnt let it go that easy either. there will always be war between people until we find something else to fight. they spend all this money on war and yet they let the economy fail. im not trying to takes sides but i always try toput myself in their shoes and i do know how they feel. i have friends down here who lost family druing all this war and they cant even go home to visit cause war is bad…they have all the oil that we seem to need, with gas prices up the *edited* and the failin economy, being is good standin with them will help us out alot….

but war will always be bad, and people die before they start to realize that they need to change…and befor long it might be to late, someone is ganna get nuked one day 2012

War is not bad for the economy in fact its just the opposite. When your in a depression you go to war to bring the economy out because that means the government is spending money in private companies. This thread was not supposed to be about war anyways atleast I didnt think it was. The issue at hand is socialism in America and the sad truth is that it is here. It has been here since October and it wont go away anytime soon. Free trade is dead and gone it doesnt work and we proved it.

KaMiKaZe said:

If politicians and bleeding heart citizens didn’t handicap the soldiers we currently have fighting the whole thing could have been done with already. When we fought in WW2 we were a far more effective force due to the fact that the military was in charge of guess what the military. I know this is a novel idea but I think we should go back to it as it got results. Bleeding heart pacifists go ohh no we can’t have our soldiers blowing up that hospital or ohh no we can’t blow up that school where will the people go. Well if their armies want to hide weapons in it and fill it with people so that we won’t bomb it, they effectively take out some of our best weapons. World war 2 they have a ball bearing plant in a city lets say hamelburg and we need to knock it out, we wiped out the entire area around it. Collateral damage happens its called war for a reason and people need to realize that and stop hamstringing our military because those same people given the oppurtunity would not return those same courtesies back. They blow a building we blow up a block of buildings, they blow up a block we blow up a town, etc… they have to learn there are consequences and that its futile to engage in the activity. The israelis had it right before they stopped. they shoot a rocket they blew up the street it came from. They mobilize more rockets, israel levels every block they passed on. It may not be very clean or nice but no war is.

Wow, this is truly moronic. So, killing a million Iraqis for NO REASON isn’t good enough for you? Clearly you don’t realize that in this war, there isn’t a steadfast, declared enemy. You can’t win a war against an idea. We’re not at war with Iraq, just “terrorism.” This isn’t a battle to be fought with boundaries and conventional thinking. If we were to nuke middle eastern cities Ala WWII, nothing would change and nothing would be ended. No war would be won and the only thing that would be different is the amount of people who want to see America demolished.

Nebs said:

Wow, this is truly moronic. So, killing a million Iraqis for NO REASON isn’t good enough for you? Clearly you don’t realize that in this war, there isn’t a steadfast, declared enemy. You can’t win a war against an idea. We’re not at war with Iraq, just “terrorism.” This isn’t a battle to be fought with boundaries and conventional thinking. If we were to nuke middle eastern cities Ala WWII, nothing would change and nothing would be ended. No war would be won and the only thing that would be different is the amount of people who want to see America demolished.

There’s nothing wrong with a war on an idea, so long as you are given the resources to take it out.

Now answer me this, if our soldiers watch a group of insurgents shoot a rocket at one of our tanks and then run back inside a mosque with their rifles and launcher, are we within our rights to go in? That’s why we’ll never win this war, even when we know where the enemy is hiding half the time we can’t do anything about it.

While I agree that scortched earth is not the policy in this case, there are some Middle East related scenarios that will play out in the next few years where a scortched earth will be the only way to win. When Iran nukes Israel or one of our bases will you be ok with it then?

MasterP said:

There’s nothing wrong with a war on an idea, so long as you are given the resources to take it out.

 

Now answer me this, if our soldiers watch a group of insurgents shoot a rocket at one of our tanks and then run back inside a mosque with their rifles and launcher, are we within our rights to go in? That’s why we’ll never win this war, even when we know where the enemy is hiding half the time we can’t do anything about it.

 

While I agree that scortched earth is not the policy in this case, there are some Middle East related scenarios that will play out in the next few years where a scortched earth will be the only way to win. When Iran nukes Israel or one of our bases will you be ok with it then?

Israel is just as ready to press that red button as any country in that area that has nuclear weapons. In fact, I bet they are the ones to do it. They have taken alot of *edited* over the last few thousand years, I’d be trigger happy after all that.

How did this turn into a discussion on the middle east? Its supposed to be about socialism. Get back to talkin about socialism i wanna know what you all think.

lol well in that case lets get this back on the right track here. The banking system just took it in the A. What do we do to fix it?

MasterP said:

When liberals can’t deal with the topic at hand they twist it around to one of their fallback topics, typically Iraq.

*edited* hippiess, control everything now, threads included!

Can some “smart” republican explain to me, why the steps Obama is taking are completely wrong. And if you feel the steps are ‘ssoooo wrooonngg’ how come no republican ever comes up with a better alternative, instead of just complaining.

Because that’s all i hear from conservatives, complaining with no alternative solution to help any of the issues.

You know why they would rather just bash Obama and not actually propose any plans? It’s because no one would want a Republican plan, not the majority of people at least, because the majority would get screwed, like they were screwed before.

Oh not enough seats to make a difference? How did that happen? Oh that’s right, the last 8 years caused major loss of trust from the American people.

So instead of coming up with plans that are totally awesome, ideas that might help regain people’s trust, they resort to scare tactics, stonewalling and complaining about Obama.

The Republicans have the same plan they have always had- make the rich richer and everybody else poorer.

And don’t say Obama wasn’t trying to be bipartisan because he was: (1) fashioning roughly 1/3 of the package out of tax cuts, which the GOP loves; (2) going to the House Republican caucus and asking for their input; and (3) pulling provisions from the bill that Republicans didn’t like. House Republicans acknowledged all of this, thanked the President, talked smack about the House Democrats, and voted against the bill anyway.

Since replying will probably look more like this, instead of just replying to what I’m saying as a whole; I went ahead and broke up the post for you. Look at that bipartisanship in action!