LAN Tournament Results

Yes very good game to everyone.

The LAN was very successful. Mario Kart was a great change of pace and the free play was lots of fun. The drum controls in Rock Band were really cool. Still, I have a few thinks to bring up:

1. There is a problem with the Smash Bros Tournament and I am not the only one who has noticed this. The Pros have been given waaaaaaaaaaay too much control over the way it is set up. I talked to a few of my friends who claim the Pros were allowed to alter the preset brackets so that most newcomers were pit against Pros. It was a way to weed out the new players. One of my friends quit in protest. I’d venture a guess that the proffesional Smash Bros players have become the most hated people represented at the LANS. There is no shame in being beaten by a better oppenent, but when a group of ridiculously cheap obsessives who only come to play one game, abuse every glitch, and generally *edited* people off are allowed free reign over a major tournament, we have a problem.

Bottom Line: If you play for any reason other than fun, you deserve to be kicked in the head. I’m glad wavedashing and many other glitches have been fixed in Brawl.

2. Introducing Ephraim the Hippie! I noticed that we generate a lot of empty cans at our events. I say it would be a good idea to set up a few containers where used cans could be thrown out, then recycled. Maybe it would make us look responsible. What do you guys think?

There were not any “pros” at the smash tourney. Also all of the competitive section of smash bros uses glitches and if brawl has some they will be used there as well. Most of them take skill and for the most part those players would have done well without using them and from what I saw there were very few glitches used, Wave dashing being the main one which isn’t as bad as halo two was with bxr, double shot, bxb and so on. So calm down its just a game. Also overall alot of people come to lans to have fun but others come to have good competition. Don’t get mad at someone for wanting to be challenged.

Akuzan said:

Also all of the competitive section of smash bros uses glitches and if brawl has some they will be used there as well

Which is the sole reason I quit playing Melee at the LANs. I will not play against someone who bases his entire game strategy around what glitch he can use against what character. If the only people who consistently win at our LANs have to use glitches to do so then what’s the point of even having the tournament?

As to the “come to have fun” aspect, go play someone who bases his entire game around glitches and tell me if it’s fun.

They don’t call themselves pros…I know the guy that one. He is by no means a PRO I know the best SSBM player in NC and he is the best person I have ever seen and no one at the LAN could hold a candle to him… much like me against Final Boss.

MasterP….I played halo 2….one of the biggest glitch fest games ever I know what it feels like so don’t assume that I have never played against people that only get kills or play with glitches. Most of them are fairly close to instant kills in h2 or give you a very great advantage in killing multiple people while almost being dead.

None of the SSBM glitches will give you instant or semi-instant kills. They give you an advantage but not a severe one.

And on what MasterP said about not playing in the smash tournaments anymore-

I, too, obstain from tournaments (PC, though) because I know I will just get dominated. I’ve been trashed so many times at CS:S and DoD because I didn’t know absolutely every mechanical thing about the game, that it’s embarrassing. I’m not complaining (in fact, I have even more respect for people who can do that) but I just want you guys to realize it happens for every game played at a high level, not just ssbm.

Kranchan won Wii Bowling. Matt won Mario Kart 64.

And I’d like to point out that no one at the LAN playing SSBM is a pro. These claims make me giggle, but I’ll say no more because I didn’t show up until after the tourney.

Also, if you have any questions or discretions on these tournaments and how they’re set up you can take them up with me, as technically I was the one who was supposed to be making sure the Nintendo tournaments went well. Matt was just trying to do what he could on short notice since I got sick, so I think people should just be a little more appreciative of who makes an obligation to keep the LAN tourneys going on time.

Thanks. <3

ZaplinG said:

As you can see, only two names were switched. The person whom I think you are referring to that was excessively mad about this actually came up to me during the LAN very angry about how rigged the brackets were. He ended up all the way in the semi-finals (#8 Dekoa). Did he leave out that part when talking to you?

It couldn’t have been the same person. He quit in the first round.

ZaplinG said:

Also, you use the description of “cheap obsessives who only come to play one game, abuse every glitch, ect…” in a negative manner. Do you not do that in any game?

Hell no. Have you ever heard of sportsmanlike behavior? The guy who beat me did so because he was better, not because he was cheap. I have no problem with that. What I do have problem with are folks who I see twice a semester showing up and talking about how Smash is their life and how they are better than 99% of players out there. Then they have their characters flip around the stage like a jackass so nobody can catch them. Wavedashing is a completely unethical form of gameplay and a large number of people I talked to at the LAN agree with me.

ZaplinG said:

And finally, even though wavedashing is indeed out of Brawl, there are still many many advanced techniques that have already been discovered. You can find the ever-growing list of them here http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=142139

I don’t want to win that way.

The way I see it, we have a small group of people who show up at LANs for the single purpose of showing off with annoying, unsound methods and a second group who defend them. This defense only leads to bad feelings among club members. Quite a few dedicated club and LAN attendees are getting weary of rules which bar most stages and items, yet allow the most ridiculous methods for winning.

Also, how the hell are these people not Pros? They keep bragging about how much money they make at tournaments.

This argument about being ‘cheap’ has been done millions of times before by millions of other people, most noticeably by the famed Sirlin. I suggest you bop on over to http://www.sirlin.net/ptw/ and read his articles on playing to win, if you havn’t already. Maybe it will change your stance a little bit.

Ephraim, the article Zap posted is very good. I recommend giving it a read through.

Just simply all i can say is speak up about it before the game starts as well, i mean as we were going to start the Gears tournament i called out no Crab Walking which is an exploit that allows the person to run at full speed and still shoot the gun and everyone understood and didnt exploit the bug. Thats all i really have to say on the topic of expoits.

Okay, look: WAVEDASHING DOES NOT MAKE YOU WIN THE GAME. I wavedash on accident half the time. It is VERY different from what is considered cheating in most PC games, I assure you. SSBM’s physics engine has many many problems and I don’t even consider it a real fighting game. Wavedashing is simply a glitch in the game that allows you to slide across surfaces, and can often cause you to even fall off the edge and lose a life. It does not make you a better player whatesoever, nor is it cheating. I am willing to argue this on the console side. Why? Because I don’t wavedash and can still beat what some of you like to call “pros”.

I am not trying to insult anyone but I think some people are getting a little heated over something that can be easily resolved, but not by “he said, she said” methods. I think its simply a matter of those who are arguing need to actually look up more on what they’re arguing about. It makes things go much more smoothly.

<3.

Why are we making such a big fuss over this? The tournaments are currently run under the rules and guidelines of other tournaments ran for the game. SSBM, Halo, etc are played at a level that certain people call techniques, tactics, etc an exploit. There are PLENTY of exploits in BOTH games that are classified as cheating and NOT allowed. I realize that we aren’t MLG, we aren’t a HUGE player base tournament, and that we don’t need to follow guidelines and rules from other tournaments and leagues to a T, but they are the bar and they are the ones that typically set the rules for tournaments.

All of this discussion is because two people who don’t exactly play the game competitively are complaining because people who do play the game competitively are better than them and use techniques and tactics that other people view as “cheap” and then subsequently point as “exploits”.

Wavedashing is quite possibly the ONLY technique that can be viewed as an exploit, it wasn’t meant to be part of the game but it also isn’t a huge gameplay change.