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Simple yes or no question.
Didn’t think this was needed, but figured the CL has to listen to his council. So you all gotta vote No in order to get any changes done around here.
As you can see below the way its set up is clearly not working.
If you have and suggestions post them please. Here are my suggestions.
I don’t really think that was necessary but…
The server hasn’t been working for awhile cause it never got updated after the last valve update; keeping anyone from being able to join at all.
when tf2 first came out i’d played beta for a few weeks before anyone else played with a group of guys non-stop, and I put a bunch of tips up for playing and things to make a server popped. But one of the main things was the respawn timer, a quick respawn timer is the key to poeple getting back in there and staying in the game, when people wait they get frustrated and they quit. This was months ago i posted this, like october, but yeah, def. change respawn timer. I have a group of buddies that put up a server a week and a half ago, and it’s almost always popped. If 2-3 friends join it’ll jump up to 8 quick, and then fill from there. goldrush/dustbowl is def. win, they have a few other maps thrown in, warpath (eh?) and they’re throwing in turbine soon. They have party mode on as well, and it’s fun as *edited*. Who doesn’t love a party hat ?
When you’re CL everyone thinks they’ve got the right idea to populate a no pop server. Just because you think it’s the right idea doesnt necessarily mean it is going to work or that is the direction the server has to go.
Though opinions are always valued, sure, and there are always ways to improve even when things seem just right.
I voted yes, btw.
the problem is us getting those 2-3 ppl to get it started, and even then we never seem to get more than about 6-7 at a time.
Nickname said:
the problem is us getting those 2-3 ppl to get it started, and even then we never seem to get more than about 6-7 at a time.
you said it yourself. You can get 3-4 people. Even then people dont stay. this is a classic example of fail. Can you not see that?
Nickname said:
the problem is us getting those 2-3 ppl to get it started, and even then we never seem to get more than about 6-7 at a time.nickname… lend me one of ur pwnage computer and i will be on 24/7
if you can get ppl and it doesent pop,, something is wrong.
PLEASE CHANGE IT
i’m not the only one,, if you havent read. My setup is full of WIN. Hold my word.
magical penguen said:
if you can get ppl and it doesent pop,, something is wrong.PLEASE CHANGE IT
i’m not the only one,, if you havent read. My setup is full of WIN. Hold my word.
Yeah it’s wrong for people to join and leave but the fact of the matter is that no one wants to play in a server with 4 people when they can very easily play in one with 16. Your rotation doesn’t solve this problem. Like I said in the other thread, you can have a 24/7 of the best map ever made and it still won’t populate the server all by itself.
Just an FYI, if he tries your rotation and for whatever reason it fails, you probably won’t be listened to again when it comes to server suggestions. Nothing personal, just a heads up. That sort of promise can backfire in a jack flash.
penguin: when you join our TF2 server, besides the map, what do you see that needs to be changed? Cause like masterp said just chainging the map will not a populated server make.
I don’t want to pile on but this problem is with all Steam-based games. TAG didn’t get some of the most popular Zombie and Surf servers overnight. It took months of sitting on them to get them populated. Once they get going the entire franchise gets full almost by itself but you have to get that first server populated and that takes time, effort, and a superb admin staff. I was head admin on our Zombie server for almost a year and when I left it was full nearly 24/7. Two years later it’s still that full, even after IP changes.
The debate here is whether or not the maps are the sole thing keeping the server from taking off. My server admin experience has taught me that maps mean little when compared to playing with actual people. People may join a server to play a good map but unless you give them diversity they are going to get bored and move on. Once you start a 24/7 server you cannot change it to a normal rotation without running about 75% of the players off so I guess the question is do we want to lock ourselves into a 24/7 map or do we want to take a little time and get a rotation based community that won’t bolt when we change a few maps.
MasterP said:
Just an FYI, if he tries your rotation and for whatever reason it fails, you probably won’t be listened to again when it comes to server suggestions. Nothing personal, just a heads up. That sort of promise can backfire in a jack flash.Their, i highlighted it so everyone will read. I’m Confident my suggestions well bring community to WCU. if not,, well fill free to point and laugh at me for the rest of my life. srly.
Nickname said:
penguin: when you join our TF2 server, besides the map, what do you see that needs to be changed? Cause like masterp said just chainging the map will not a populated server make.I did not only sudjest maps. Infact, that this shows you all are not reading my post. You see one thing that you dont like and forget everythign else that is said. “thats how i fill anywho, weather it be true or not” Please go RE:read
i’m sure masterP is correct about his TAG servers. but were they srly as dead as our TF2 server?
You said need something to keep them here.. how about this.. (This is another suggestion) keep the current server for people that like diversity, My proposed server settings will bring them here. and the other server will keep them here. Win/Win, everyone is happy. …anyways the current dead tf2 server cant have that much of a server load.
also go RE:read rentons post. In this thread, and his huge list of recommendations everyone ignored in his old post.
Renton, wanna help me pop this server?
magical penguen said:
I did not only sudjest maps. Infact, that this shows you all are not reading my post. You see one thing that you dont like and forget everythign else that is said. “thats how i fill anywho, weather it be true or not” Please go RE:reada) everything is already on fast dl server AFAIK
hlstats is installed but keeps crashing; hopefully the reformat will fix it.c) the respawn timer is set to 10 seconds, down from the default 20 and I see little reason to go any lower as all it does is help create stalemates.
d) I don’t know much about party mode but that is something I wouldn’t mind knowing more about.
e) the server name will stay the same it already is but I appreciate the suggestion.
well since your OBVIOUSLY not going to change anything on your server.. Will you (or allow me) phat chance,, to make the changes that need to be made.. Its not going to magically become epic doing nothing and watching it sit their no matter how long you sit. trust me,, i know majic.
I HAVE PUT IN COUNTLESS HR’S PLAYING TF2 WITHIN THE PAST MONTH, I KNOW MY SETTINGS WILL WORK. ALL THE POP SERVERS ARE RUNNING SETTINGS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT I PROPOSED. THEY WORK.
/return to regular typing.
you have only played 1 hr in the past 2 weeks of TF2……………………………………speaks for itself……..no comment.
please create another server,, whats to loose?
well other then that fact that i was right.
AGAIN, I think just because you have the correct settings, people do not automatically join up…As master P pointed out, it takes weeks/months to get a consistently populated server with regulars in it…Now because it is a WCU server, you might get the few people from the forums, so that’s what, 2-4 people and assuming they stay on consistently everyday during peak hours, maybe that will help. And if they get a friend or 2 everyday then yea you can get roughly 10 people in. But if you don’t get a full server at peak hours for what I would guess maybe 3 weeks? Then I do not see the server staying populated. I know the source server stays populated(during peak hours) because other people bring in friends, we have good regulars, lots of admins that play a lot, and when it is full, more people see it and want to join. It is not full souly(sp?) because we have good settings, because honestly, right now the sauce server does not have the best settings(I wouldn’t know what to change, don’t ask me : P). Anyways….my 2 pents…
I know the setting dont make a server. dont think i have ever sad they did.
Does everyone think the current TF2 server is fine the way it is???? if so i’ll drop it
is it that hard to add another server to TRY
YahooEarth said:
AGAIN, I think just because you have the correct settings, people do not automatically join up…TRUE
As master P pointed out, it takes weeks/months to get a consistently populated server with regulars in it…
TRUE
Now because it is a WCU server, you might get the few people from the forums, so that’s what, 2-4 people and assuming they stay on consistently everyday during peak hours, maybe that will help. And if they get a friend or 2 everyday then yea you can get roughly 10 people in.
TRUE, and TRUE
But if you don’t get a full server at peak hours for what I would guess maybe 3 weeks? Then I do not see the server staying populated.
BINGO,, guess what,, thats the current situation.
Anyways….my 2 pents…
Thanks for the Reply Yahoo<3
magical penguen said:
I know the setting dont make a server. dont think i have ever sad they did.Does everyone think the current TF2 server is fine the way it is???? if so i’ll drop it
is it that hard to add another server to TRY
kk, I do not know if they can just up and add a server…I could be wrong though, dun quotes me!!!
and I’m just here to halp : P
We cannot add more servers without having a meeting to vote on it.
I see no reason either to load down the server with more running gameservers, especially those that aren’t even populated now.
You’ve made your point penguin, you can cease beating it into our heads. We will take it under advisement and make some decisions tonight, since we are reinstalling everything anyway.
Liam said:
We cannot add more servers without having a meeting to vote on it.I see no reason either to load down the server with more running gameservers, especially those that aren’t even populated now.
You’ve made your point penguin, you can cease beating it into our heads. We will take it under advisement and make some decisions tonight, since we are reinstalling everything anyway.
yippie, <3 Liam. Good luck on the format.
i srly will help in any way that i can. but not sure what i.r trusted with as far as the Tf2 server goes.
Please note another observation:
May i ask what is the current server load? I mean we have only 2 active servers up on a $10,000 box. Cant be that much… My point being currently TF2 is allotted __% load correct? its using nearly 0%. Thus by adding another server,, (which may or may not be a pop) its just like the current one was actually active.
observation number two:
Their was never a vote when we added the 1.6 GG server. we had a CL for 1.6 and the server was simply added.
100% exact same thing can be said about the Source:GG server. We had a CL, and it was added. no votes..
Also note: No where does it say a vote must occur to add a server which has a leader.
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Magical Penguen will gladly step back away from the mic,, and waits to see what happens tonight <3
There are other servers that have been proposed that have a much higher chance of self populating than the one you’ve suggested. Before we get another TF2, we’ll be getting a CSS Zombie and Surf.
You’ve been playing TF2 for a month, some of us have been playing for the better part of a year.
Btw, the whole “you’ve only played once in the past
” thing has already been used by people in this club and was proven horribly wrong. Just because we don’t play much NOW doesn’t mean he havn’t played long enough to know what we’re talking about. People said I didn’t know about the CSS server and look now, I seem to be fitting the CL role pretty *edited* good. Nickname has played TF2 enough to win at 3 LANs, one of which was at a rival school. Try to have at least some respect as he does have a clue about the workings of TF2.
well i was goign to step away, but gotta fight the facts…
so here it goes..
MasterP said:
There are other servers that have been proposed that have a much higher chance of self populating than the one you’ve suggested. Before we get another TF2, we’ll be getting a CSS Zombie and Surf.Befor we add more servers, lets get the ones we have working… right? I was simply saying change the current one, or add another one. Doesent seem like kip wonts to add another one. So lets get the current one working… Also i dont see anywere discession of this zombie/surf server… Yeah TAG has them both, and they are fun to play on… and are sucessful…go play their… WCUG =! TAG. to me is seems like your are trying to turn this into them. however, i agree with pulling in success from other gaming community that are going good. We have CS:S games, lets branch out into other games.
You’ve been playing TF2 for a month, some of us have been playing for the better part of a year.
I have played since beta.
Btw, the who “you’ve only played once in the past <insert time period>” thing has already been used by people in this club and was proven horribly wrong. Just because we don’t play much NOW doesn’t mean he havn’t played long enough to know what we’re talking about. People said I didn’t know about the CSS server and look now, I seem to be fitting the CL role pretty *edited* good.
CS:S hasent changed much as far as server settings go since you became CL. However, a *edited*ing *edited* ton and ahalf has change with TF2. Srly, Nickname knows he’s not active, i dont need to point it out. We did not even have any of the pl maps on the list until ~2 weeks ago. I even asked him, and he said whats pl maps…. lol. cane in point, just trying to help make the changes since changes are clearly not being made.
Nickname has played TF2 enough to win at 3 LANs, one of which was at a rival school. Try to have at least some respect as he does have a clue about the workings of TF2.
100% respect here. I have said noting disrespectful. I have not applied anything disrespectful. Congrats nickname on your pyro skills. But when it comes to setting up servers, You need some input from people that play alot. Thus why i’m helping you, as well as WCU gaming Succeed.
Nickname said:
wow it took me until now to learn who magical penguin is. Such deceit man. Such deceit.admincp is greatt
magical penguen said:
We did not even have any of the pl maps on the list until ~2 weeks ago. I even asked him, and he said whats pl maps…. lol. cane in point, just trying to help make the changes since changes are clearly not being madeThat is not true. Just because I don’t know exactly where pl_goldrush is on the server, I do know it has been there for well over a month.
Nickname said:
That is not true. Just because I don’t know exactly where pl_goldrush is on the server, I do know it has been there for well over a month.i’m not talking about the pm i sent you today or yesterday. that was a response i got from you over irc.
a few quick comments:
one – TF2 has no bots available as does counter-strike. thus when it drops to a literal 0 pop then it will be sneezed at by anyone looking to play. Even if we make all the changes, we need people to commit to being in the server at a set time slot and for them to announce it as such so that we can form up a decent population. If you would like to do that, that will help pop the server, just you could be idling it solo for the better part of several hours (done that several times). Do I hear an offer?
two – the servers aren’t “allotted” a portion of the server’s power to my knowledge. They just run, and if they bottleneck they bottleneck. I don’t know where you’re going with that.
three – it’d be *edited* foolish to add another TF2 server and try to pop 2, given that just 1 is as difficult as it is. This isn’t like the movie Field of Dreams – “If you build it, they will come”.
four – I’ve CL’d two servers that didn’t pop and one that did, and did nothing different. Our server will draw crowds because of the people that are playing here, not what they’re playing. People have made our counter-strike servers what they are because the people themselves are awesome. TF2 Fridays are about getting our regulars over there so that we can start drawing people in around the people we already have… that’s gonna take time, and you’re welcome to help out. call people up and tell them about TF2 fridays.
five – you’d have a much better chance at a good thorough discussion about changing the server(s) if you would be more polite and friendly, don’t just walk in and start bashing.
six – the name change – no. I’m not even gonna argue that coz i’ll make no sense just ranting and raving, but the cs1.6 and cs:s servers are doing just fine and haven’t had quirky names.
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the one thing I can think of that would maybe give this server a good quick boost is just have volunteers squat it and run down achievements with people, and be nice about it.
Falcon said:
a few quick comments:one – TF2 has no bots available as does counter-strike. thus when it drops to a literal 0 pop then it will be sneezed at by anyone looking to play. Even if we make all the changes, we need people to commit to being in the server at a set time slot and for them to announce it as such so that we can form up a decent population. If you would like to do that, that will help pop the server, just you could be idling it solo for the better part of several hours (done that several times). Do I hear an offer?
two – the servers aren’t “allotted” a portion of the server’s power to my knowledge. They just run, and if they bottleneck they bottleneck. I don’t know where you’re going with that.
three – it’d be *edited* foolish to add another TF2 server and try to pop 2, given that just 1 is as difficult as it is. This isn’t like the movie Field of Dreams – “If you build it, they will come”.
four – I’ve CL’d two servers that didn’t pop and one that did, and did nothing different. Our server will draw crowds because of the people that are playing here, not what they’re playing. People have made our counter-strike servers what they are because the people themselves are awesome. TF2 Fridays are about getting our regulars over there so that we can start drawing people in around the people we already have… that’s gonna take time, and you’re welcome to help out. call people up and tell them about TF2 fridays.
five – you’d have a much better chance at a good thorough discussion about changing the server(s) if you would be more polite and friendly, don’t just walk in and start bashing.
six – the name change – no. I’m not even gonna argue that coz i’ll make no sense just ranting and raving, but the cs1.6 and cs:s servers are doing just fine and haven’t had quirky names.
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the one thing I can think of that would maybe give this server a good quick boost is just have volunteers squat it and run down achievements with people, and be nice about it.
true all across the board
Falcon said:
a few quick comments:one – TF2 has no bots available as does counter-strike. thus when it drops to a literal 0 pop then it will be sneezed at by anyone looking to play. Even if we make all the changes, we need people to commit to being in the server at a set time slot and for them to announce it as such so that we can form up a decent population. If you would like to do that, that will help pop the server, just you could be idling it solo for the better part of several hours (done that several times). Do I hear an offer? They said it themself,, they can get 3-4 ppl to go in and only a few ppl will join and leave. the problem isnot getting people to come it. its keeping them. and you better beleave me i will be ideling it if it were a decent setup, i just not going to bother ideling it now b/c i dont fell as it is set up good. its been tested, fail, changes, re-tested fial.. and has been sitting on fail for awile….. we clearly need change.
two – the servers aren’t “allotted” a portion of the server’s power to my knowledge. They just run, and if they bottleneck they bottleneck. I don’t know where you’re going with that.
I was pointing out the fact that this is room. curent server = dead, adding another one thats pop will be the same as if the current one is pop. curent one = fail = nopop. we need pop.
three – it’d be *edited* foolish to add another TF2 server and try to pop 2, given that just 1 is as difficult as it is. This isn’t like the movie Field of Dreams – “If you build it, they will come”.
Adding another server was only a sudjestion around the petty point kipm was trying to make abut 24/7 servers. I would rather just have one server… but not getting any bites… /tosses in more bait.
four – I’ve CL’d two servers that didn’t pop and one that did, and did nothing different. Our server will draw crowds because of the people that are playing here, not what they’re playing. People have made our counter-strike servers what they are because the people themselves are awesome. TF2 Fridays are about getting our regulars over there so that we can start drawing people in around the people we already have… that’s gonna take time, and you’re welcome to help out. call people up and tell them about TF2 fridays.
True & Never herd of this TF2 fridays,, and i check every post… all the time… its retarted. lol
five – you’d have a much better chance at a good thorough discussion about changing the server(s) if you would be more polite and friendly, don’t just walk in and start bashing.
/me is tired of people not TRYING…
six – the name change – no. I’m not even gonna argue that coz i’ll make no sense just ranting and raving, but the cs1.6 and cs:s servers are doing just fine and haven’t had quirky names.
petty point, but if we went with only 2 of the most pop maps, it really should be in the server title.
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the one thing I can think of that would maybe give this server a good quick boost is just have volunteers squat it and run down achievements with people, and be nice about it.
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magical penguen said:
True & Never herd of this TF2 fridays,, and i check every post… all the time… its retarted. lolsticky’d at the top of the TF2 forums, for your reading pleasure:
Falcon said:
sticky’d at the top of the TF2 forums, for your reading pleasure:wow, ok i fail
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