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Seeing as how I no longer have any real say in how the Counter Strike Source server is run, I am hereby resigning my position as the Council Leader.
I am simply tired of having my decisions overridden and finding out about changes at the same time as the general community. As Council Leader, decisions on updates and changes are supposed to be mine and lately the exact opposite has been the case and looking back I’ve noticed a disturbing pattern of changes and updates being done by execute decision without my prior knowledge or consent. That’s not how the club Constitution outlines game committees but that’s for another discussion.
I want to thank everyone who commented positively on my performance a few weeks ago. I tried to make my term in office as much about the server community as possible and it is my sincerest hope that whoever is elected at the next general meeting can meet the performance bar I’ve thrown up.
Pattern of changes? I made one change against your original decision, what kind of pattern are you talking about? I want to set the record straight instead of having you come in here and try to make us look bad, we discussed as in the entire thread in the server admin forum between the Effix thread and the Z-Block thread everything I needed to hear about Z-Block, you did not see it as a good idea but I don’t see the issue with doing what I did. Now to clear things up you resigned because I over turned ONE of your decisions, wow, that is all I can say, wow. I told you that you have been doing a great job and I step in and make a decision that I think will improve the server and because it isn’t your way, you step out? My point is there are no patterns I have let you run the server the way you wanted to, I made one change and that is the only fact that I need the public to know, my interest is protecting the players in WCU servers from hackers and improving the playability in all our servers, my own interests were thrown out the window when I ran for president.
Is that why the population in the servers has dwindled and many of the old regulars won’t post or play here anymore? Maybe it’s time to admit that the executives are doing something wrong and that they need to put their ego to the side. I think some changes need to be made, starting at the top. The proof is in the numbers. Hell even the founders and ex-presidents are wary of what they post.
Bitey that’s all well and good but you honestly don’t know how many times I’ve been the last to find out about changes. Point in case, having a map arbitrarily added to the rotation that you KNEW had problems. That’s a second one, need I go on? I can if you really want to push the issue. Stats were also reset arbitrarily.
EDIT: Also add to this the “server updates” made by Liam that he’ll only tell me over MSN as “they’re not relevant to anyone else”. It would have been nice if I had been told about this at least before the changes went into effect. Also, if lag is down by “85%” and “registration is vastly improved” I think everyone would like to know why.
And spare me the heroics about protecting the players. All I asked was to privately test and configure the anti-cheat before risking it on the main server. Not only is that a MUCH safer practice, it’s also what professional server admins do in real life with real production servers. If you knew anything about the professional administration of servers you’d know this. I had no problem with running an anti-cheat program, my desire was simply to ensure that regulars had as little interruptions or problems as possible. How hard is it to test something before potentially running off players? I mean really, look back at the posts, all I ever asked for on this was more time to test.
I have no desire to be apart of an operation that hap-hazardly installs modules onto their servers with absolutely no testing as this is the most guaranteed way to kill a server. So you got lucky this time. You certainly didn’t the last time a major module was installed and it was my hope you’d have learned from that. Obviously not.
Anyways, best of luck to whoever gets CL next and GLHF with the micromanaging you’ll endure. I hate to be so negative but I can’t remember any CL being completely overridden with as little discussion as I just did and it’s something I won’t tolerate or let slide. If I can’t have complete control over a server that’s supposed to be mine I don’t want any control at all.
Obviously I was doing a good job, why couldn’t you simply let me continue to do so? Did it ever occur to you that I was using the same sound judgement on this issue as I had on every other?
I am so tired of your whining, Shane you are the only one “wary” of posting here, and if anyone else is, it is not me who is to blame for you feeling that way about posting. This is now a personal issue, you want to call me out on things you call me on the phone or you talk to me in person, this is BS and I am calling you on that, none of what you have said is the full truth, it is tweaked to look like you are in the right and it is non-sense, now if you want to discuss this like a “professional” or adults then you come see me, or call me right now.
Bitey said:
This is now a personal issue, you want to call me out on things you call me on the phone or you talk to me in person, this is BS and I am calling you on that, none of what you have said is the full truth, it is tweaked to look like you are in the right and it is non-sense, now if you want to discuss this like a “professional” or adults then you come see me, or call me right now.You talking to me or Kuros?
Guys look… I’ve been playing here, since kuros was a child. You guys are doing perfectly fine, you don’t need to resign master P.. You guys have to just listen more, listen to the serious regulars, the people who are on every single day out of the week/month/year. You guys play very little at all, and know who is who. I understand that you’re the executives and try to decide what is best, but the regulars know what’s best for the server… Recently (as you can check the records) we’re having record high people coming on the server… very heavy traffic, it’s not uncommon to find 6/6 – 10/10 at 3-5am in the morning. Where as in 2007 … you’re lucky to have 2/2 with bots spamming the teams.
I’m not trying to brag, or bring you guys down, but I’ve been with this server two *edited* years. I’ve seen everything change and develop for that long period of time. I know what would increase the server population, what would decrease. What the regulars want/don’t want. I’m not trying to convince you on any other thoughts, but I’m telling you how it is, regardless if you want to hear it or not. I think you are all nice guys and doing a great job on what you can. But how can you be involved in something you’re not spending time on?
We know Liam is working very hard on coding and all that work, we all need to appreciate and give him a little more respect than he is getting now. People constantly in the server (regulars/admins) *edited*ing about the team balancer and all other *edited*. I give them warnings and tell them to shut the hell up or leave, I know he works/goes to school/ AND spends countless hours coding for a game that has absolutely NO affect to his overall life. Sure, it may be practice, but he can go code for something/somebody else and actually get paid for it. But as soon as something goes wrong, he’s expected to fix it up.
Please don’t take any of it as offensive, I’ve known some of you a very long time. And some things have to be loosened up upon, the population of the server is in sky-rocketing time, it’s the highest it’s ever been, and probably will only increase.
MasterP said:
All I asked was to privately test and configure the anti-cheat before risking it on the main server. Not only is that a MUCH safer practice, it’s also what professional server admins do in real life with real production servers. If you knew anything about the professional administration of servers you’d know this.ORLY MASTERP? I THOUGHT AT OUR JOBS THEY JUST THREW CRAP ON SERVERS AND COMPUTERS THAT RUN THE PLANTS AND LET THEM GO. TESTING IS LAME OGMOMGOOGGM GET WITH THE PROGRAM.
Edit – Maybe the radiation has gotten to us?
KUROS –
Flame me all you want, I will let the actions and the population increase of this club speak for itself, I am doing what I am supposed to be doing I make choices based on what I think is right. You have full right to hate me for it, but for someone who is an ex-president and claimed at one point to love this club why do you spend so much time trying to bring me down?
Why you laugh at me saying “when I ran for president.” I have no clue, yes I know that you won the election, that was not my point, my point was that when I made the decision to do that, my own opinions and interests were gone and my only concern was what was best for the club. Why you find that funny eludes me.
KALIA –
For the last time why do we need to test a program that is already used by big names, I didn’t want to test it on a private server where the only people that would test it would be Liam, myself, and maybe a few devoted regulars. I wanted the whole impact on the server because we knew that nothing would happen that we could not fix.
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Why does this seem so familiar? Is this round 2 from those months ago where you maybe felt like you didn’t say enough? Why can you not leave this alone like you said you would do all that time ago, when you said yourself when I leave I will have nothing to do with the club, and yet here you are causing more unnecessary drama, I do not understand either of you… Trust in me and help us to prosper, instead of flaming me and bringing us all down to the most basic primate level, please.
I don’t remember my comment being directed at you??? Or on top of that it was not anything about, to, or dealing with you…. The only reason I said that is because Kip had a very similar job as me at McGuire. Unless you are masterp and/or speak for him now, don’t jump in my *edited* when I’m not talking or even referring to you.
Bitey said:
the population increase of this clubOur pride and joy server is DEAD? THAT’S CALLED A DECREASE.
A decrease in what? I thought the objective was to bring interest to the club for the university, NOBODY ON THIS CAMPUS REALLY PLAYS 1.6 THAT MUCH ANYMORE, THAT IS THE ONLY DECREASE AT ALL. That is how technology works ,you should know that Hardware Guy….
I play 1.6 constantly and don’t even go to the University. I don’t believe Master P should resign and I think that Bitey has been right on more then one occasion. But so has Master P—SO stop having an argument on the internet since you both know each other and talk irl.
CSS Council Leader position will be up for vote at Tuesday night’s meeting. MasterP is more than welcome to re-run (if he doesn’t, maybe I will!!)
Princess/Kalia LUVS Kuros said:
ORLY MASTERP? I THOUGHT AT OUR JOBS THEY JUST THREW CRAP ON SERVERS AND COMPUTERS THAT RUN THE PLANTS AND LET THEM GO. TESTING IS LAME OGMOMGOOGGM GET WITH THE PROGRAM.Edit – Maybe the radiation has gotten to us?
Hell yeah. We never tested anything on our servers at McGuire. I mean, whats the worst that can happen? They’re just nuclear reactors, nothing major. And hey if a server does crash, no biggie, it’s just Charlotte. Easy to evacuate right?
Not sure what they told you but we were told it was less than a rem extra per year outside containment. Not sure I believe that but lol?
Bitey it’s hard to trust in you when some of your actions make absolutely no common sense at all and you leap at them without any thought of consequence. I hold no grudge against this club and wish it the best but I fear it’s quickly becoming like ASU’s club.
Also, I think it unfair for you to take any credit on the increase or decrease in population of any server. That is the CL’s responsibility and thus his victory or failure. The increase in CSS population since the end of May is my victory, not yours. The decrease in CS1.6 and TF2 is the responsibility of the CLs for those games and since no proactive measure was taken once they quit caring that makes them partially your failure as it is your job to replace them if they aren’t doing their jobs.
When did I take credit for anything I was trying to prove to Kuros that it is not my fault a server has decreased in population or increased I have completely relied on you and all the other CLs to do their job and populate your respective servers. According to him when you fail I am supposed to step in and fix it. You like so many others pre-judge me, you think I just jumped at the zBlock idea, no I didn’t it took me 3 days of consideration before I even went for it, so do me a favor and stop thinking you know me, you want to know how I think call me, I have already extended that invitation one time before and you did not take me up on it. You really expect me to replace people over the summer? No I am sorry I am not doing that. I expect a certain amount of responsibility out of the CLs something that I intend to make very obvious at the meeting, I WILL be delegating responsibilities to people, I WILL NOT do as Kuros did and take almost the full weight of the club on his shoulders, that is something I cannot and will not do. I will be the first to push it from underneath if it needs it but I will not take it on by myself.
So again let me make it clear I take no responsibility for what you did with the server, as I have said three times now I think you did an awesome job with the server, what do I have to do to make that clear to you? What I said was I would let the population speak for itself, how does that imply me taking credit for it?
hi guys
it’s raineypoo
<3?
i know i’ve been short with people once or twice and am not the best example of how do deal with things, but look the server runs pretty good, schools starting up again so a lot of people are coming back, i haven’t noticed a big decrease in overall population, some regulars haven’t shown up as much, and i do regret that, but they’ve had their reasons. The fact that luckyseven still plays here every now and again has to attest to something, cause he is fairly picky about the servers he plays in. In fact the only regulars who i know have left had computer problems and couldn’t afford to come back anytime soon. Or they were banned. Except for ellaine, who seems to detest that she can’t bunnyhop.
For the little time that i’ve ever interacted with MasterP, he has seemed like a reasonable fella, and i think the same of Bitey, which makes this pretty interesting that you too should come to this result. But i suppose this is the way it’s gonna be. GL MasterP with whatever you’ll do after this. I hope that things will continue to run smoothly on this server as i do frequent it, pretty much the only place i play cs, i think that everyone is getting a little too uptight about this whole thing, lets calm down, watch some beast wars and play cs, or tf2, that is what this club is all about (the cs and tf2 and whatnots, beast wars is probably just me)
<3s to all
It became personal when people started calling me out about how I run the club, I will fight tooth and nail anyone that just wants to flame me about it but if you want to come to me with an honest opinion and talk to me about it I WILL listen.
Of course the source server will sustain itself he did a fantastic job of making sure it would be that way.
rainefardreamer said:
hi guysit’s raineypoo
<3?
i know i’ve been short with people once or twice and am not the best example of how do deal with things, but look the server runs pretty good, schools starting up again so a lot of people are coming back, i haven’t noticed a big decrease in overall population, some regulars haven’t shown up as much, and i do regret that, but they’ve had their reasons. The fact that luckyseven still plays here every now and again has to attest to something, cause he is fairly picky about the servers he plays in. In fact the only regulars who i know have left had computer problems and couldn’t afford to come back anytime soon. Or they were banned. Except for ellaine, who seems to detest that she can’t bunnyhop.
For the little time that i’ve ever interacted with MasterP, he has seemed like a reasonable fella, and i think the same of Bitey, which makes this pretty interesting that you too should come to this result. But i suppose this is the way it’s gonna be. GL MasterP with whatever you’ll do after this. I hope that things will continue to run smoothly on this server as i do frequent it, pretty much the only place i play cs, i think that everyone is getting a little too uptight about this whole thing, lets calm down, watch some beast wars and play cs, or tf2, that is what this club is all about (the cs and tf2 and whatnots, beast wars is probably just me)
<3s to all
Raine. I love you.
Chantz said:
We know Liam is working very hard on coding and all that work, we all need to appreciate and give him a little more respect than he is getting now. People constantly in the server (regulars/admins) *edited*ing about the team balancer and all other *edited*. I give them warnings and tell them to shut the hell up or leave, I know he works/goes to school/ AND spends countless hours coding for a game that has absolutely NO affect to his overall life. Sure, it may be practice, but he can go code for something/somebody else and actually get paid for it. But as soon as something goes wrong, he’s expected to fix it up.I agree wholeheartedly. Poor liam is breakin his balls for this server and no one seems to care. chantz, you may like a sperm shower now and then, but ur dead on on this topic.
MasterP said:
Also, I think it unfair for you to take any credit on the increase or decrease in population of any server. That is the CL’s responsibility and thus his victory or failure. The increase in CSS population since the end of May is my victory, not yours. The decrease in CS1.6 and TF2 is the responsibility of the CLs for those games and since no proactive measure was taken once they quit caring that makes them partially your failure as it is your job to replace them if they aren’t doing their jobs.MasterP, i think it’s everyone’s victory if the server increases in population. the regulars want to keep it alive as much as you guys do. the whole council is doing what they can to ensure the server stays alive. liam is coding his butt off to make everything work. you are doing what you can to keep things together. I don’t think any one person can take complete credit for making everything work, and, no disrespect, but bickering over who’s victory this is seems a bit childish, as is this whole argument.
you guys need to get this crap ironed out irl, or something instead of fighting about it over the internets. is this gonna be a freakin mudslinging fest or what? why don’t we all just take a deep breath, and maybe just have a little tolerance instead of screaming “I TOLD YOU SO!” people make mistakes, okay? masterp, i believe you saying something about you added ur input, and if bitey wanted to override you, then so be it. and now this? kuros, you need to chill out with the “i told you so’s” as well. we all know that you didn’t want them to put zblock on. you spoke your piece, and we don’t need to hear it five times in three different threads. now, i hate to be a *edited* like this, but you guys need a reality check. it’s not a sin for the server to be down for one day if the thing would’ve gone wrong. it’s been down before when you defrag the hard drive, or do something to the server. my dad once said a very smart thing that i think you guys would do well to think about.
99% of things are NOT a crisis.
take some time to let the sink in. let it permeate your brain. now let’s approach this like adults now please?
I am glad the public is speaking up as this is who I wanted to hear from. I let this go on for as long as it has because I wanted our community to be the ones to step in and be the voice of reason, all I can say is thank god for you guys.
I have been a regular for about a year and a half here. When I didnt have a comp and my roommate did I used to play on WCU’s css server 2yrs ago. I have to say that I have witnessed plenty of changes by everyone that I really appreciate; like the fact Liam is always coding. Thank you Liam.
MasterP understand that a victory for you really means a victory for the people who play the server. I take full responsibility for having a sky rocket in people for about a week straight over the summer because I constantly sat in the server. Why didn’t I *edited* about it? Because I’m just an Admin and in particular a regular.
Bitey I don’t think I have ever seen a particularly bad decision come from you that I can remember. I can’t.
YouWinGameOver said:
I have been a regular for about a year and a half here. When I didnt have a comp and my roommate did I used to play on WCU’s css server 2yrs ago. I have to say that I have witnessed plenty of changes by everyone that I really appreciate; like the fact Liam is always coding. Thank you Liam.MasterP understand that a victory for you really means a victory for the people who play the server. I take full responsibility for having a sky rocket in people for about a week straight over the summer because I constantly sat in the server. Why didn’t I *edited* about it? Because I’m just an Admin and in particular a regular.
Bitey I don’t think I have ever seen a particularly bad decision come from you that I can remember. I can’t.
He doesn’t put out as much as I want him to, but that can always be fixed with a lil alcohol…and some pills…
MasterP said:
Hell yeah. We never tested anything on our servers at McGuire. I mean, whats the worst that can happen? They’re just nuclear reactors, nothing major. And hey if a server does crash, no biggie, it’s just Charlotte. Easy to evacuate right?Not sure what they told you but we were told it was less than a rem extra per year outside containment. Not sure I believe that but lol?
Well both Harris and McGuire are PWR’s which run WAY cleaner than boilers. They say the same thing out at Harris about it being less than 1 rem outside of containment a year, I know I’ve been inside radiation areas and not picked up any dose, got contaminated once in spent fuels but it was because I wasn’t wearing cotton (nor does anyone tell you to wear cotton, its something you have to learn…)
Nuclear power plants? SWEET!
my dad works for Siemens, which bought Westinghouse, the part of the company that makes the generators, so maybe your plant is using some of the generators that my dad saw being made, he’s a QA guy.
i know some funny stories about what can go wrong in the shipping of the generators.
rainefardreamer said:
Nuclear power plants? SWEET!my dad works for Siemens, which bought Westinghouse, the part of the company that makes the generators, so maybe your plant is using some of the generators that my dad saw being made, he’s a QA guy.
i know some funny stories about what can go wrong in the shipping of the generators.
Doubtful as both Sharon Harris and McGuire are fairly old by our standards. I bet that he’ll see the generators for Duke’s Lee Nuclear Station currently under construction.
By the way, tell him he needs to make them run cooler.
Also, all further dirty laundry to be aired in RL.
MasterP said:
Doubtful as both Sharon Harris and McGuire are fairly old by our standards. I bet that he’ll see the generators for Duke’s Lee Nuclear Station currently under construction.By the way, tell him he needs to make them run cooler.
Also, all further dirty laundry to be aired in RL.
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