NuRayZ said:
but let’s get back to the topic at hand. Cadillac high premium plans. And go read again dude, they tax after 8500, or 23,000 for families. If you don’t hit that mark with your insurance plan, you don’t get taxed. hell technically you don’t get taxed anyway, your insurance company or business does.
Like I said before, please post a page number in the legislation. Since you know you’re right, this shouldn’t be hard.
NuRayZ said:
These high premium plans are ridiculous. they pay maybe a little more than the average american, and get *edited*load in return. Detuctables? laugh. 0 detuctables, copays averaging 10 dollars, anything you can imagine paid for (acu *edited*ing puncture, message therapy, even TANNING?!). And yet you have a problem with taxing that kind of luxury? that more people can have health insurance now, but because we are taxing luxury bull*edited* it’s wrong?
That’s almost what I have on my HSA and it’s far from a “cadillac” plan.
NuRayZ said:
the average american (who gets insurance through their employer) has 699 dollar detuctables, an average of 20 dollar copays, and can’t get covered for a *edited*ing cough. Spreading the wealth health around isn’t that bad of an idea man. Besides, their Cadillac premiums may go up 1,000 dollars annually, or maybe their deductible goes up from 10 to 30.
Very few republicans have a problem with the added limitations placed on the insurance industry. The problem is that everyone who remains on a private plan, regardless of how “luxurious” it is, will see the cost of their insurance rise an average of 30% in the next 4 years directly because of this. This *edited* affects everyone, including the innocent middle class that actually likes what they have. That’s what I have a problem with. Obama said I can keep my insurance, and while that in itself is a partial lie, he never said anything about the cost of my plan staying where it’s been for the last 4 years. Regardless of what the Messiah may tell you, it IS possible to help the poor without *edited*ing everyone else.
Bitey said:
I am not and have never been a liberal, I am a *edited*ing *edited*ed off American, who can’t believe that someone like you would call me arrogant. I don’t think I deserve *edited* from you, I am ASKING FOR HELP, when the *edited* will you get that?
You didn’t say anything about needing help. Your posts sounded entirely like you were playing the blame game. If you need help there are plenty of ways out there to get stuff. What you can’t do is slap the wealthy across the face, call them greedy *edited*s, and then ask them for help paying your bills.
Bitey said:
Poor people are BEGGING for help from the rich, saying “hey man, I know I don’t deserve it but I am in a bad place at a bad time in a bad way, please help”. Oh sorry that not good enough for you, you want me to shine your shoes massah? Seriously get off your *edited*ing high horse.
You really think I’m making much more than you right now? Really? You might be surprised…
Bitey said:
It ain’t as easy as you claim it to be and arrogant text book responses about investment 101 is quite offensive, not everybody took that class.
Class? No. I learned from Google. All it takes is being curious about finances and taking the time to see what the experts, who made their own fortunes, did to get them and how they kept them through tough times. If I wanted to be an *edited* I’d have gone into how big your IRA account should be at this point in your life if you want to be one of those “rich *edited*s” when you hit 65.
Bitey said:
just because I believe in a world where the rich choose to share there wealth instead of horde it doesn’t make me a liberal. It makes me someone who cares for other people.
It actually makes you a socialist. While there’s nothing wrong with socialism in theory, in practice it fails miserably every time. Sorry, I mean it just, does.
There’s always going to be an upper class and a lower class. The most successful countries in history are those with a middle class, something that socialist countries generally destroy very quickly. We can switch to socialism, and everyone will be happy for a while, but after the love affair is over you’ll find that those that were the upper class still are and everyone who didn’t measure up is now essentially slave labor. I guess everyone being poor is fairer than the 13-17% we average now, unless you’re in the 83-87% who isn’t.
Sorry to be so mathematical about this but that’s how you’ve got to look at it. There’s always going to be poor people, and there’s always going to be rich people. Your goal in life should be to get as high as you can without stepping on others. If you give all your money away while being poor, you’ll always be poor, and the overall good you do for society will be minimal however if you focus entirely on yourself until you’ve planted your feet in solid financial ground you’ll be in a much better position to actually do some good for the less fortunate. Yes I’m a greedy *edited*, yes I hoard my money, but that means that when I want to give to a good cause I actually have the money to make a difference. Everyone can give $5 to a cause but its the people that give $500 that keep those causes alive.