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Okay, so we already had a thread about this in the admin section, but I’m posting one here so we can get the regulars thoughts also.
Basically, in the last half an hour, we rtv’d like fifty times. We played dust2, aztec, inferno, snow, and office. A bunch of times, we rtv’d and then voted on the map that was going to be the NEXTMAP anyway. We also rtv’d to avoid snow, but then after a map or two, people rtv’d to snow. Afterwards, we played dust2. After d2, aztec was next in the rotation, but people wanted to rtv again. We ended up rtving to aztec, even though it was next. On aztec, we rtv’d to office. We played like 7 minutes of office and everyone rtv’d snow AGAIN. At this point, I left. I don’t care if we play the same maps over and over if it keeps the people happy, but it’s ridiculous to rtv to the maps we were trying to avoid and maps that are NEXT in the rotation.
In the last vote before I left, the only map listed that we didn’t play, was VERTIGO. The choices given were dust2, awp_dust, inferno, snow, and vertigo. Srsly, we need to do something about rtv. If we’re going to change it so that we can’t play a certain map if it was the last x maps played, then we need to add more maps to the rotation list because we don’t have much of a variety and it seems people are getting bored with what we have, hence the constant rtving. It’s like they’re just sampling each map and then move on to the next one.
I see that the settings for rtv were changed so that we have to wait 5 minutes after the start of the map to be able to vote, which is cool, but it’s like we went from playing 5 minutes of a map (when we had to wait 3 min to vote) to 7 minutes.
Rossy said he wants to do nominations. If we can do that and set it so we can’t nominate a map that was already played in the last x maps, I think that would be awesome. I brought it up a while ago, but that’s how <GT> runs their server and they’re pretty successful.
Anyway, I’m pretty annoyed right now and I feel like I left something out, but that’s all I got for now.
Feedback plz.
Well if the server is full like 29 players you need less then half to make RTV to start voting the map and for that amount all u need is 1 side of team to rtv the map its probably because they been stacked and want to change the map.
Well to prevent that we should add some new DE maps for the server to make maps waste longer.
But you can’t really change athing if people just want to change a map even every 5 minutes.
Well another sugestion is to increase the number of people you need to RTV to work.
i know i sound like a broken record, but i really think if rtv isnt doing a good enough job, we should have voting anyways? is it at all possible to do like a week trial of votemap?
yeah toran, that was kinda of ridiculous tonight. I think map nomination would be a good idea, we’d have to expand the map list on the server alot and not allow a map to be played that was one of the last 5 played or something. I also think the vote extend option should be available 😡
BunnyTaliBAN said:
is it at all possible to do like a week trial of votemap?The long-term effects of votemap rotation wouldn’t be realized in a week.
i agree with you on this one yesterday in the day every normal map we played got rock the voted back to awp dust or snow and then when we got to these maps again everyone would complain and rock the vote again
YES I AGREE WITH TORANKY! RTV IS REALLY GETTING OUT OF CONTROL! MORE MAPS ON THE ROTATION PLEASE!
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DO IT DO IT DO IT!
A lot of video gamers have chronic Attention Deficit, so of course they are going to be quick to use any sort of leverage to vote a map that can satisfy their short attention spans for 20 minutes.
Hmm, I’m not sure it was smoother. It gives everyone the option to vote for a map when the admins can’t do it (when the server is more than half-full). I think we just need to expand the rotation or add more restrictions for what maps pop up during the vote, because we are repeating maps three times in half an hour, and only for like less than 10 minutes each time.
Okay i have an obvious solution that might work.
Why not make the maps that pop on the RTV list, be maps that are NOT on the rotation. This way, we don’t end up voting snow or de_dust2 and get it a million times in a row.
do you mean like adding a nomination feature?
how do u guys want it to work, only be able to nominate maps in the rotations, all maps on the server, or what?
I’d like to try doing a map vote at the end of the maps instead of a forced rotation, but we get to nominate what’s on the vote.
torankusu said:
I’d like to try doing a map vote at the end of the maps instead of a forced rotation, but we get to nominate what’s on the vote.Just so I can say “I told you so”, this is a bad idea.
Now carry on.
MasterP said:
Just so I can say “I told you so”, this is a bad idea.Now carry on.
<stealthily retreats from thread>
I know you’ve warned against this several times. I’m just saying I’d like to TRY it. Bunny and maybe someone else suggested we do a trial period of like a week. If it fails, we can go back to our previous state. I think if enough people want to try it, if they really want it to work, they’ll try to make it work. Maybe that’s a little too idealistic than realistic, but it wouldn’t hurt to give it a whirl.
Hmm, it had to be over a year ago. I started playing in here when app’s server died and a lot of people migrated here and the server was pretty populated back then. I wasn’t here for it. :/
Just out of curiosity, how long did you try it for? I mean, would it be bad if we tried it just for one week?
Vote map was up for around 2-3 months last year (right before we got a new rotation with cpl_tdm). It was initially popular at first, but drove many people away because first we had it set to majority win, and that drove half the people away. Then we tried 66% wins and that still was fail because half the people left. I persoanlly like the freedom of it SO much more than rotation, but in practice votemap tends to fail. :/
yea you can argue “OH LOOK AT GT, THEY VOTE MAP WHY CANT WE” but ive watched over the past month and really its hit or miss with them. They can be 100% full one moment then empty for 2 hours later. And i dont particularly like that and dont want that sporadicness here.
If the majority of you guys want it to be a votemap system, lets go ahead and figure out just how we want it to work. I don’t want to put one in and have WCU turn back to how it was this summer. This will also be a long process, and probably will not be in place until after the new year (as im uber busy until then). Until that point, i vote we keep updating the rotation periodically and keep things updated, and when we have a full plan, at that point we can figure out if that will be the best course of action.
MasterP said:
We “tried” it a year or so back. No one remembers because EVERYONE LEFT.I lol’d because it’s so true.
But I think it was more because the combined losses of the summertime, with an added stink of stagnicity <=not a word but means stagnant lol
I think changing things up in general is a good thing though. I mean this game needs a little sprucing up every once in a while. It’s like flavors of ice cream. Sometimes you want vanilla, sometimes you crave chocolate. Except RTV in this case tastes like booger flavored ice cream instead of the good stuff.
yeah we tryed map votting off and on for 4 years now,,, alsways seems as we get tired of one we go back to the other only to relize the other ways sucks and we come back… this loop is not going to end, ever. history shows doing a regular vote does not end well… if their was some map vote plugin to try “some different tweek to voting” sure try it. but the same old regular voting has not worked well every time we have done this loop (~4-5 times now). lol
i feel old now :/
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