Ellaine as admin

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  • #4165
    Kuros
    Spectator

    With Ellaine as admin after all the trouble that was started the last 3 times she had it, I will no longer be playing on the CSS server. I was actually going to start playing again before this happened now that I had some time. I’m half way tempted to be done with WCU Gaming all together after the COD4 stunt that has been pulled. I hope that Tf2 can turn things around for me.

    #40203
    Mr. Freeman
    Spectator

    Ellaine? Admin?

     

    -.-

    #40206
    Renton
    Spectator

    Sorry Kuros, I haven’t played with you all that much but it’s gonna suck to lose ya. I don’t know anything about any of that stuff but I hope you guys get it cleared up.

     

    Until then, be well.

    #40210
    Liam
    Spectator

    There’s no reason to start *edited* when nothings happened. Meh.

    #40211
    VBloodLustV
    Spectator

    I agree with Liam…

     

    People change Kuros and stop being so negative

    #40213
    MasterP
    Spectator

    VBloodLustV said:

    People change Kuros and stop being so negative

     

    The “people change” arguement should have been learned from Urban. People don’t change.

     

    \ said:

    There’s no reason to start *edited*

    LOL!

    #40215
    VBloodLustV
    Spectator

    hey i never said “all” people change but she seems nice and i dont see anything that she says now reflecting the things that happened in the past

     

    so perhaps she matured and before completely ditching cs:s perhaps he should play with her for a while without judging her first for she may have seen the error of her ways

    #40216
    Ephraim
    Spectator

    I don’t want to overstep my bounds here, but it seems to me that some of the higher-ups in this club are a bit too lenient with trouble makers. It took waaaaaay too long to toss Urban overboard.

    #40217
    Kuros
    Spectator

    We’ll see, my hands are clean now. I’ve dealt with Ellaine a lot more than all of you put together.

    #40218
    MasterP
    Spectator

    VBloodLustV said:

    hey i never said “all” people change but she seems nice and i dont see anything that she says now reflecting the things that happened in the past

     

    And Urban appeared (to a minority) to have made a complete turnaround too but look how that turned out. I’m not saying she hasn’t learned but there are many ways to learn whether or not a player has grown up without giving them admin. That’s like celebrating someone’s graduation from alcohol rehab by taking them to a bar.

    #40219

    Kuros said:

    I’m half way tempted to be done with WCU Gaming all together

     

    I cant beleave you, please tell us your are/were drunk..

     

    why would one put so much time and effort into something and toss in the towel over something so petite

     

     

    not everyone gets their way, this somewhat seems like a raven stunt, ones not happy so tossing a fit… /unreal

    #40221
    VBloodLustV
    Spectator

    MasterP said:

    And Urban appeared (to a minority) to have made a complete turnaround too but look how that turned out. I’m not saying she hasn’t learned but there are many ways to learn whether or not a player has grown up without giving them admin. That’s like celebrating someone’s graduation from alcohol rehab by taking them to a bar.

     

     

    i agree … but as ive said she seems to have put forth valid posts and she seems to be attempting to keep up appearances.

     

    She is also being very nice and understanding in the posts ive seen

     

     

     

    Oh and NODice Valid point!

    #40224
    Kuros
    Spectator

    VBloodLustV said:

    i agree … but as ive said she seems to have put forth valid posts and she seems to be attempting to keep up appearances.

     

    She is also being very nice and understanding in the posts ive seen

     

     

     

    Oh and NODice Valid point!

     

    She was never not nice or understanding on the forums to begin with. She lives two lives. One on here and one in the server. You’ll see soon enough. She’ll act fine for a week or two then it will be all to hell. And no I’m not drunk nor was I before. If I don’t have fun, I don’t play. I’m not going to make my gaming life miserable just to save face. If I don’t like the way things are going, I don’t have to stick around, I can always come back when it’s fun again.

    #40227
    VBloodLustV
    Spectator

    Kuros said:

    She was never not nice or understanding on the forums to begin with. She lives two lives. One on here and one in the server. You’ll see soon enough. She’ll act fine for a week or two then it will be all to hell. And no I’m not drunk nor was I before. If I don’t have fun, I don’t play. I’m not going to make my gaming life miserable just to save face. If I don’t like the way things are going, I don’t have to stick around, I can always come back when it’s fun again.

     

    Well if your right then she will loose admin really fast …. and ill keep a lookout on source as i am sure bitey will be too :D

    #40229
    MasterP
    Spectator

    VBloodLustV said:

    Well if your right then she will loose admin really fast …. and ill keep a lookout on source as i am sure bitey will be too :D

     

    If he’s right can we quit giving people THIRD chances? A second chance is fine but should always be the last.

    #40230
    VBloodLustV
    Spectator

    MasterP said:

    If he’s right can we quit giving people THIRD chances? A second chance is fine but should always be the last.

     

     

    i agree to that … but what about the three strikes and your out rule ?

    #40232
    MasterP
    Spectator

    VBloodLustV said:

    i agree to that … but what about the three strikes and your out rule ?

     

    Baseball != online gaming.

     

    We’ve tried three strikes in TAG with a few players and often found (as I also predicted there) that people don’t change. They behave to get back in then slowly degenerate back to themselves over a period of 1-8 months. If they’re going to change they’d have done it on the 2nd chance, any more is just being naive.

    #40233
    VBloodLustV
    Spectator

    well i agree on the two strike policy if the Ellaine thing doesnt work out… i agree it shouldnt take people that long to mature

    #40237

    Kuros said:

    If I don’t have fun, I don’t play. If I don’t like the way things are going, I don’t have to stick around, I can always come back when it’s fun again.

     

    sO what is not fun? what do you think is not going the right way?

     

    And may i ask, have you played with her in our server at all after her last ban, and before this post?

     

     

    i suspect a deeper root problem other than someone receiving admin?

    #40252
    Pink Monkey #13
    Spectator

    I played with her before the whole issue that got her banned happened. I don’t recall her being a mean person then. I hadn’t been playing on the server for awhile when she got banned so I can’t comment on that at all. As far as now, she seems generally nice. I haven’t had any objections to her attitude so far. Perhaps we were a bit hasty in giving her admin. Her admin was taken away, so the whole process should have been reset I suppose (e.g. getting 50 posts, spending time on the server, rebuilding her reputation). I vouched for her on her application, so I’ll take part of the blame on that (not that my vouches are worth much yet as I’ve only had admin for a week). But so far, that’s the only objection i have to Ellaine’s admin status.

     

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    Kuros said:

    She was never not nice or understanding on the forums to begin with. She lives two lives. One on here and one in the server. You’ll see soon enough. She’ll act fine for a week or two then it will be all to hell. And no I’m not drunk nor was I before. If I don’t have fun, I don’t play. I’m not going to make my gaming life miserable just to save face. If I don’t like the way things are going, I don’t have to stick around, I can always come back when it’s fun again.

     

    Lives two lives? I’m sorry, but that’s a bit much isn’t it?

     

    edit two:

     

    there was more than one issue? what was the other issue aside from the ghosting one?

     

    edit three:

    i agree with bitey

    #40254
    Bitey
    Spectator

    IMHO, This whole thing about not playing on a server because of one person is extremely childish, I’m sorry Freeman and Kuros, but you guys seriously need to grow up, I know what its like to deal with people who are extremely hard to get along with (Raven/Urban), and yet I did not push them away I did as much as I could to understand where they were coming from and get them what they wanted to make them happy, the difference is they never got to the point where they were happy, they always wanted something else, or there was something else that I was doing wrong, or something not the way they want me to do it. My point is Ellaine has shown me a very good general interest in contributing to the club and wanting to better what we do here, put your judgmental biases of the past behind you and please for the sake of the club, grow up, I say this with love guys….

    #40264
    YahooEarth
    Spectator

    on topic: I have been around when Ellaine was stirring up some trouble in the server, I can’t recall specifics because this was a long while ago…but I do remember

     

    somewhat off topic: #13 how long have you played on this server?? Just curious, because I don’t recall seeing you in the server except these past few months…I could be wrong though…not trying to be rude either…

    #40265
    Kuros
    Spectator

    I am entitled to my opinion. /thread

    #40266
    Bitey
    Spectator

    Granted, but its attitudes like this that can kill servers… unnecessary drama..

    #40267
    Anaya
    Spectator

    I don’t really know the situation with what happened with Ellaine, but I think there should be some guidelines set up about people who were banned/caught cheating for future reference.

    #40269
    Bitey
    Spectator

    Do I need to reference people in this club that have been caught cheating before? And held a much higher position than admin… People mature and people change, if a person shows up at my door telling me they have changed I give them the opportunity to show me. I didn’t go out searching for Ellaine, she came back to WCU. So no she gets a chance to show me why she should be here and have admin, most people who are denied, you never hear from again, Urban was one of the few. How many chances did we give him?

    #40270
    LuckySeven
    Spectator

    I agree with what bitey is saying and ive been playing on this server for awhile.

    #40271
    Pink Monkey #13
    Spectator

    YahooEarth said:

    somewhat off topic: #13 how long have you played on this server?? Just curious, because I don’t recall seeing you in the server except these past few months…I could be wrong though…not trying to be rude either…

     

     

    let’s see. i got counter-strike in december of 2006. i’ve been playing WCU off an on since then. i wasn’t on near as much then as i have been recently, but i played with ellaine before she got banned.

     

    edit: also, no offense taken

    #40291
    AngelEllaine
    Spectator

    It seems drama goes after me even though i try to dodge ><, alright story time then.

     

    Alright, erm i think we should let everyone know what happened before on this server, with me, and the other faculty, this way everyone knows what we’re talking about instead of shooting bullets left and right. I never recalled the fact that i was really mean or anything, i never hated anyone nor acted upon it in game. But there was an old small little grudge between a few of the Ace and the Admins (when i was in Ace still). They never really got along, especially spades , and i got caught in the middle, both sides were thinking they were better at css. Ya sure i too sometimes would get into it, being argumentative sometimes and a bit full of myself after like a really lucky play, but then again weren’t we all? Having some sort of online-ego war and arguing who’s better, that’s just being rediculous and silly. I’m sure i apologized because i had fault in those too, but if you guys missed it, im sorry for those stupid things i said and done.

     

    So the first real server issue is team stacking, which they were right, we did. I/we got on pseudos before so that we can play on the same team, because i think playing with friends is better than against (not anymore XD). We got our warnings, and stopped and just let the auto-balancer (not as good as Liams back then) take over (yes plural on warnings, since eh, we were a bit naive, then hehe ><)

     

    Another issue that came up and actually resulted in a ban (explained later) is with ghosting. Now before i move, Ace.Spades or alex, always been sketchy with the admins, he’s pretty good, but that’s the issue between him and the other admins. So that day, i was wondering why my admin was taking away. Apparently it was because i was really inactive on the forums, kind hit a brick wall, since i forgot to post. So i went to alt-tab and look it up on the forums and was asking around on steam friends as to why this happened. During this session, alex/spades did something, which i don’t know, was sketchy to Facist.Flakes, an admin in disguise observing. He decided to ban me and him for ghosting. I was afk-at spawn and died around the end of the round, apprently so there was no way i could ghost, i was alt tabbed on forums everything panic’d.

     

    Alex/spades then went on mirc, and acted like a complete arrogant fool, i told him that it wouldn’t work before, but he just acted high and mighty, and apparently i got dragged in with his permanent ban. At that time, i was upset, because a lot of other people were being accused of ghosting/other clans etc, and i thought this was just the loophole to get around the demo requirement =(.

     

    This is when i stopped playing at WCU for like a period of a month or two i think. So then after that span of time. Kuros popped out of nowhere on steam and was like “omg ur still alive” and was like “how come i don’t see you on wcu anymore?” At first i thought it was some kind of sick joke, but he was really sincere so I explained to him that i was permanently banned. He went on to explain that i was never supposed to be, and unbanned me there. So afterwards i’d sneak on wcu once or twice, and it became more occasional.

     

    But as for cheating/ghosting/hacking whatever, that’s a no no. I even stopped joking about that kind of things, ok maybe i still say hax once a while ^^, but yeah… I don’t really have an issue with anyone here really, i always thought you guys were great people to play with and be friends with. As for Kuros, im surprised you just changed so drastically and forgot those things. You were the person who was really nice to me all those times and was the person who unbanned me in this event.

     

    Inside, i always thought that this dramatic series would pop up. Yes, back then i could’ve changed a few things, we all could’ve changed a few course of actions to make things better, but we can’t unwind what has happened. I really hope that, this ends here, because this definitely does not contribute to the community.

     

    This is my story. And i approve of this message :<

    I think this is my longest coherent post ever ><

    #40403
    Falcon
    Spectator

    My decision to let her in was this: she made a legitimate request to be let in, and I have some clearly defined rules now for dealing with admins that get out of line. She has read and agreed to them, so until further issues arise then she is accepted. p.s. this would be an ideal thread for addressing any situations that might come up with her. If she flops again, then no more admin, as well as any other punishments that may need to be served.

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